[OOC] Town Hall meeting

​Fellow Roleplayers,
 
The level of discussion at our first ever town hall was simply amazing.
 
For those who attended :
    - We hope to hear back from you very soon with the various community efforts that were proposed.
 
For those of you who couldn't attend :
    - Please review the minutes to see where you wish to get involved or even how to reach out with your own ideas.
 
If you guys wanna do an OOC meeting between yourselves for anything, please just come to us so that we can throw out a notice. We do discourage OOC on SIM but we can always put aside a venue or put you on an OOC pad.
 
As always, the admin team can be reached via http://http://asphyxiationpoint.weebly.com/help.html. We are happy to assist with any and all efforts that you are willing to drive.
 
- The administration team

Meeting Minutes
SUNDAY, 01/10/2016
17:00:00
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[17:04:30] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay guys. Welcome to the first town hall meeting at Asphyxiation Point. In case you are wondering what prompted this all of a sudden, its simply that the size of our community has grown largely. When we started, we could talk to each other easily and we had a rapid flow of ideas from person to person cos we just had very few people. But we felt the time was ripe for an organized discussion since more than one person have raised concerns that they don't know everyone on SIM or how to get started working on their ideas. To summarize, this meeting will hopefully serve two purposes... One is to get all your ideas... And two is to get all of us to work with each other on those ideas. I will only be facilitating the meeting by maintaining post order but the discussion will be led by each person in this room.
 
[17:05:51] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): To make sure we have some kind of order, please post @ in local chat prior to posting. I will call your name out for you to post but please try and have your post ready by then to keep things moving along quickly. If you requested a turn but feel your idea has been covered by someone else, just say so.
 
[17:05:58] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Any questions so far?

1. Need for additional SIM

[17:07:23] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 1. Need for additional SIM
 
    * Current status :
        - AP was *designed* to be a one SIM build to perpetuate the small town feel and keep Roleplay spatially focused. Having said that, this doesn't mean we are "small". We are one of the most prim efficient builds on the grid with 21 SIM owned businesses, 14 player owned businesses, 63 homes and various public RP spaces.
        - As of this moment however, most RP spaces remain severely underutilized and the SIM itself has no problems coping with the number of simultaneous avatars on SIM. If we get more than 50 Roleplayers on SIM for at least an hour everyday, we will definitely consider an additional SIM.
        - In the meantime, several people have highlighted housing as an issue, but we do believe most people get hold of "a" place within a week or two. Also you are reminded that use of the Dew Drop Inn is free and you have rights to add additional tenants on your rental box. Having said that, we will continue to look at build improvements / prim
[17:07:23] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  optimizations but we are currently maxed out on prims.
 
    * To discuss :
        - Are there any compelling reasons besides housing that we should be looking for an additional SIM? Our initial feedback pointed only at housing.
        - Besides losing the sense of continuous immersion, does living on the mainland and traveling to AP limit RP in any way? There may be other solutions to purely RP issues.
 
[17:07:44] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): All right folks. Anyone who wants to comment, please simply post an @ in local chat.
 
[17:07:55] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): @
 
[17:07:59] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): We have already given you our current direction to make things easy but we want to hear your pain points.
 
[17:08:01] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Go ahead Tinker
 
[17:08:10] Kaleb Silvercloud: @
 
[17:08:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tink, Kaleb
 
[17:08:42] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): I don't know if you were aware or not but the townhouses ummm by the diner with the basements.  The creator has made a new version that is less than half the prim count that could be taken into consideration.
 
[17:09:03] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): I think they are like 17 prims or something
 
[17:09:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): ohh neat...~ stares at Laszlo~
 
[17:09:10]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): oh wow
 
[17:09:10] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[17:09:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yes I am aware Tinker. But the new build is also larger and has an additional floor. If we do replace the builds, it would mean providing additional prims to furnish too.
 
[17:09:13]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): fantastic
[17:09:26]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): nevermind.
[17:09:30]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va) mutters.
 
[17:09:41] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I was very excited when I saw that v2.0 and then got disappointed :(
 
[17:09:45]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): Kaleb next?
 
[17:09:46] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): All right. Kaleb.
 
[17:09:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tink, Kaleb, Lex
 
[17:09:57] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): @
 
[17:09:59] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): is TInk done?*
 
[17:10:03] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): yup
 
[17:10:13] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Jay
 
[17:10:29] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Oops.  Sorry. Please say a okay done or something when you are done just so that we know to be sure. I assumed in this case.
 
[17:10:59] Kaleb Silvercloud: I have some past experience with this as far as RP areas expanding beyond one sim. From all of my observations, more space tends to spread out the RP too thinly. The community I was a part of original started on a quarter sim parcel and in that situation, RP activity was very high because most people were in chat distance to each other. On the flip side, when it expanded to a full sim, RP still was pretty good but once it got bigger than that, people were spread out too far apart and what you ended up with is a bunch of spaced out people hoping something would happen in the part of town they prefer to hang out in.
 
[17:12:09] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Thats usually the issue I have seen as well Kaleb.. hence no desire to jump and get another sim on my part.
 
[17:12:32] Anthony Boscorelli Esq (bloodxofxheros): @
 
[17:12:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Jay, Anthony
 
[17:12:52] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thank you for the comments Kaleb. Those were our original motivations for the single SIM build :). Again... Not saying we won't. But we need to see compellling reasons to do so which is why the discussion. Lex? Or did you have something to add Kaleb?
 
[17:13:05]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): @
 
[17:14:01] Kaleb Silvercloud: On the other hand I understand the housing issue and everyone wanting a space. I think high demand housing also keeps a community active to some degree as well as the sim paying for itself...people see too many empty places and it's like buying the last loaf of bread on the shelf......you figure something must be wrong with it to be the last one nobody else took....
 
[17:14:06] Kaleb Silvercloud: and I'm finished now
 
[17:14:14] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Jay, Anthony, Zoe
 
[17:14:48] Lex (lexbot.sinister): I just wanted to comment the new version of those town houses. I looked at them too, they are lower Li but actually different. Not sure if they have a basement... they were one floor higher however. Everyone might not be happy to have a rental switched out underneath them. (done)
 
[17:15:05] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jay, Anthony, Zoe
 
[17:15:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I wanna check them out~ whispers~
 
[17:15:49] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): I think we need to use less used areas to their potential. Long have I thought there should be a bed and breakfast on the sim. Somewhere nicer than the dew drop and it's public showers. I vote to step up the theater district and look at some of the less used space in that region. Create more interest to feed player's need for change and freshness and increase the amount of places to rent.  I don't think another sim is necessary, work on what's already here to enliven the sectors that aren't used, and thats all i gotta say about that.
 
[17:16:10] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @
 
[17:16:28] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Anthony, Zoe, err Laszlo
 
[17:16:43] Anthony Boscorelli Esq (bloodxofxheros): you can pass me, my point has been discussed, thank you
 
[17:16:55] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I am just wiating to see if other people have similar comments before responding which is why the @ :)
 
[17:17:12] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Zoe, Laszlo
 
[17:18:42]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): okay about the spatially distributed roleplay issue - Kaleb actually has a fantastic point about that, I just wanted to add that the more houses and rentals we actually have on sim the more we end up passively encouraging players to just stay in their little cribs and not RP. This is kinda common in some roleplay sims, where there's a tonne of people on the map, but when you walk around you realise there's not many to actually have a scene with because they're afking or avoiding RP in their homes.
[17:18:46]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): (done)
 
[17:19:16] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[17:19:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo, Lex
 
[17:20:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): We want a RP sim.. not a housing sim is what I have always said. but if it came down to actually needing more to promote more RP id do it.
 
[17:20:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I don't want to get into a very detailed build discussion cos we can take up 3 hours doing that. For those of you who are interesteed we can organize a second meeting. But I do want to respond briefly to Jay's comment becuase I have seen other people talk about adding more on the existing SIM. I know it may feel like we have a lot of empty spaces. But the space is not the problem on AP. Prims is. If you open up the land panel you will see there are about 2000 spare prims. But in reality there are only theoretically about 1250 spare prims. The rest of the 750 are people not filling their rentals up to the brim. And these 1250 are important to leave spare for SIM performance reasons, for events, for temporary prim overflows from rentals etc etc etc... As you would have noticed, we do change businesses often. And most of them are prim negative changes. We are trying to go for what you are saying Jay. But SL has some limitations at the end of the day.
 
[17:20:38] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): (done)
 
[17:20:48] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex.
 
[17:21:17] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): @
 
[17:21:25] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Personally i would love ro see Aspy grow another sim and incorporate all ideas of rural parts and what not that people have pointed out in the ooc now and then, but the biggest obstacle in my mind is once you have two sims, even if scaling up is difficult, scaling down is pretty much impossible without killing off the entire community. It will then always "have been better before" so sizing up is a one way direction.
 
[17:21:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Jay
 
[17:22:49] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): @
 
[17:22:50]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): is lex done?))
 
[17:22:51] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Let us know if you are done Lex. I am assuming you are typing more.
 
[17:22:57] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[17:22:57] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (done, sorry)
 
[17:23:04] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Jay
 
[17:23:09] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): to say quickly though.. I have always loved the idea of a B&B on sim... and maybe we can come up with something... we can discuss that
 
[17:23:10] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jay
 
[17:24:09] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): If prims are the issue, maybe a small expansion would be appreciated then. Thanks Dera, I think some low prim mesh work would make it possible where the park is now and just take some things up.  tbh. done.
 
[17:25:14] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): sorry I forgot on thing... something you all brought up was for those of us rp'ing on the mainland was there issues.  Something I have noticed is like we use a ferry to get back and forth.  Their not taxi cabs that can be hailed at will.  Has there been discussion on like a time table and such that can be used for the ferry?  The only reason I mention this is far too often I see people either come in and do crimes and then just jump the ferry and leave...which dead ends the rp or just as I said use it like a cab service.. It's a boat..on the ocean.  LOL  (Done)
 
[17:25:14] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): prims are always the issue
 
[17:25:19] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tink
 
[17:25:44] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) nods.. "Once we do finish the SIM owned business changes, we will look at what else is not required so that we can free up prims. But its an extremely intensive process so it takes time. I am glad we are discussing it. Hmmm... Can we hold this until the Roleplay section. I agree it is an issue."
 
[17:25:53] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): The last comment was for Tinker
 
[17:26:15] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): that is fine it was just under this section so didn't want to forget
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[17:26:29] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo do you have a closing statement for the First thing on our agenda.. ?
 
[17:27:10] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): I agree too Tink
 
[17:27:17]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I think think Makenzie wanted to speak
 
[17:27:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Did I miss a @?
 
[17:27:50] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): yeah  mine
 
[17:27:53]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): shoot, Makenzie :) we might have missed ya, sorry!
 
[17:27:53] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): lol
 
[17:28:08] Kaleb Silvercloud: Dera will be spanked later for it.
 
[17:28:19] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Nah I have Zoe callin gout names and getting me .. confused
 
[17:28:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): spank her
 
[17:28:29] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Go ahead Makenzie !
 
[17:28:31] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): mack hit it girl!!
 
[17:28:42]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): ..
 
[17:28:46]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): Don't worry I got ya'll back
 
[17:29:11] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): It's okay.  I was just going to say I have watched a very popular sim expand, and go from one sim to two.  RP nearly dies, and peole hid on one sim where their rentals were, and only came out when the person or people they wanted to rp in came on.  I think having the sim as it is,  and the rentals as they are, keeps the possibility of keeping rp going much more feasable
 
[17:29:36] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): done
 
[17:29:45]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): that's exactly what i meant, good point mack.
 
[17:30:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): nods... I agree... but again its not set in stone.. if it came to it id open another... As long as Laszlo comes with me..lol
 
[17:30:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): nods... I agree... but again its not set in stone.. if it came to it id open another... As long as Laszlo comes with me..lol
 
[17:30:16] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): can i say some thing?
 
[17:30:26] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): @
 
[17:30:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes Rox.. @ is what ya do to get on order
 
[17:30:34] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) nods... "That's our concern as well which is why you will notice that our criterion for getting a second SIM is when the first SIM has a hard time keeping up with the traffic. If we get more than 50 players over here everyday we will have to start watching server side lag and expand accordingly. And sure go ahead Roxanne. For those who arrived late at the meeting, please just add @ to request a turn"
 
[17:30:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
 
[17:31:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Anyone needing a NC of the Agenda please IM me **
 
[17:34:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Jay
 
[17:36:02] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Please have a seat Hunter. It helps with the lag. Rox is posting which is why we are quiet.
[17:36:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): There are seats to the front of the room
 
[17:36:59] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay Rox crashed. Jay?
 
[17:37:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): oopes I think Rox fell off line
[17:37:07] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jay
 
[17:37:12] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): it'd be nice to have some wilderness on the new sim or something smaller like an additional homestead or parcel and you can just use it for its prims to beef up the main sim. I agree with Makenzie, the main build should stay the same. done.
 
[17:38:13] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): okay.. then ...
[17:38:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox back here?
 
[17:39:14] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[17:39:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): okay Rox is off line...hopefully she gets back in time...
 
[17:39:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex
 
[17:39:49] Lex (lexbot.sinister): There are many people not saying anything, is it because you generally agree with what is said, or something else?
 
[17:40:08] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): @ lex, yes.
[17:40:17] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): done
 
[17:40:21]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I agree fully. Coming from a popular RP sim, I've seen these complaints and it's sad.
 
[17:40:30] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I assume everyoen knows we want to hear form you all.. and probably we are covering what they already wanted to ask.. not feel free to @@ at any time!
 
[17:40:42] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) chuckles... "Thanks for the reminder Lex... Yes. Please chip in everyone. Its a community discussion and not ask the admins.
 
[17:41:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): NOW feel free damn*
 
[17:41:07] Dean Anderson (protherus): @
 
[17:41:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Dean
 
[17:42:06] Kaleb Silvercloud: @
 
[17:42:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Dean, Kaleb
 
[17:42:36] Dean Anderson (protherus): So i hear all the time about a new sim coming up and barely see people here on the street or using the businesses we have . Now i wonder what the new sim would do so much better for AP right now and who would come up for the payment cause clearly its alot of money we are talking about and only bringing up a homestead for wildernis feeling i am not sure if its worth it
 
[17:42:56] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[17:43:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @
 
[17:43:14] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I would pay for it.. if we agreed it was needed...
 
[17:43:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I was planning to wait for the closing comments but looks like we have a lot of discussion going :)
 
[17:43:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Laszlo
 
[17:44:12] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Dean.. Done?
[17:44:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): please Say Done.. when Done.. so we can move to the next
 
[17:44:45] Dean Anderson (protherus): half done waiting for comments!
 
[17:45:06] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Already answered..lol Id pay for it...
 
[17:45:10] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) laughs... "People will post @ to comment. I agree with you fundamentally though."
[17:45:22] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Which is why activity is the prime metric for getting a new SIM as of now
 
[17:45:30] Dean Anderson (protherus): well then im done
 
[17:45:31] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): if we agreed the need for it was great.. id do it.. gah
[17:45:44] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Laszlo
[17:45:45] ღkärlÿ brüċätöღ (carly.brucato): @
[17:46:09] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Laszlo, Karly
 
[17:47:29] Chad Redford (chadredford): @
 
[17:47:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Kaleb, Lex, Laszlo, Karly, Chad
 
[17:48:19] Kaleb Silvercloud: I understand prims are always the biggest issue. In my case prims, or the lack thereof by the masses, kinda limits the usability of the gas station as most people will use their prims for their homes. There are very few people with enough free to support a vehicle on sim. I'm not sure if people are interested in vehicles very much or if it's a lag issue that makes them shy away from their use, or a prim availability issue and not wanting their rental box to pester Dera for going over their limit. As for deans comment, a homestead for wilderness would not be worth it unless it got used on a regular basis. It might look nice to see a wilderness but some of that could be achieve with those off sim decor things......but I dunno..... (done but will wait for comments)
 
[17:49:19] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Temporary prims.. Cars.. etc.. I dont get on people for when they bring it out for a RP..
 
[17:49:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we just ask to bring it back in after you are done
 
[17:49:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Laszlo, Karly, Chad
[17:49:55] Lex (lexbot.sinister): The rules don't look as lenient as when you say it.
 
[17:50:38] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): @
 
[17:50:57] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Laszlo, Karly, Chad, Brooke.. I am assuming you arent done lex?
 
[17:51:16] Lex (lexbot.sinister): was waiting for kaleb since he was typing
[17:51:19] Lex (lexbot.sinister): A homestead sim might seem like a good "small" addition because it's at first glance cheaper, but sadly it's a LOT more expensive per prim, so even if you manage to rent the heck out of it, with the addition of a few trees and a dirt road, it really doesn't give the value for the money spent. It's a rather laggy and poor alternative. (done)
 
[17:51:57] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): @
[17:52:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo, Karly, Chad
[17:52:05] Kaleb Silvercloud: oh I know about the temporary prim thing....I was just wondering if people were interested at all with vehicles much or if the garage should become more of a hang out than a business.
[17:52:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Laszlo, Karly, Chad, Ade
 
[17:52:45] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (done done )
 
[17:53:07] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[17:53:09] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): ROX Laszlo, Karly, Chad
 
[17:53:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): smirks at Laszlo.. Shes back you mind?))
 
[17:53:23] Kaleb Silvercloud: I'm basically asking you people here.......you interested in using vehicles at all or not? :P
 
[17:53:34] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): not to rush it along, i understand that prim and land is a major issue for most but can we come to the conclusion that until there are more than 50 people on sim, there will -not- be an expansion. others here have a limit on time and we're running in circles. (done)
 
[17:53:38] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): I @ed after Chad
 
[17:54:03] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): never mind -my point has been made
 
[17:54:05] Kaleb Silvercloud: I'm done
 
[17:54:15] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Lex brought up what I was going to except she is discussing the financial aspect. From a technical perspective, Asphyxiation Point is simply too busy to justify having a slow homestead running next to it. Even if you are not actually "on" the homestead, the homestead is having to serve data to everyone who has the homestead within draw distance. Which just means lag all around.... And I get a lot of folks complain about lag already. Also, as far as the garage is concerned, we didn't expect too many vehicles on SIM..
 
[17:54:30] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): (done). Let's move to Karly, Chad and Rox and close this topic
 
[17:54:30]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): Rox. wait for Rox
 
[17:54:34] ღkärlÿ brüċätöღ (carly.brucato): im new but ive been in sims which went to a 2nd sim. It was nothing but trouble. And in a lot of cases it was the start of the end of the sim. Unless you have a really compelling need for a second sim, you should stay with just one. done
 
[17:54:41] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo, Karly, Chad.. Ade im assuming you said what you wanted now.. out of turn..lol
 
[17:55:17] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): lol, sorry. i'll behave! (done)
 
[17:55:33] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): smirks
 
[17:55:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Chad
[17:55:44] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): and then ROX
 
[17:55:45] Chad Redford (chadredford): I would like to suggest we table this discussion for the sake of time and have a meeting dedicated to this subject
 
[17:55:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): and we shoudl move to the next on our Agenda..
 
[17:56:05] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Sounds good. Rox?
 
[17:56:58] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): what i basically wanted to say was that, once upon a time i would have been with makenzie and said no, and even did, to a new sim addition. but you guys have the numbers and the time consistency to back up usage of another sim. It's clear ap isnt a passing phase. You average 20-40 members, not just a day, but rather consistently throughout said day, 50-60 people during mass events. i think the numbers speak for themselves. and it'd help a bit with the lag. I think what a lot of people seem to be missing is that unlike most sims, they hit popularity once, buy a new sim to adjust, then drown when popularity falls. Ap doesn't have that issue at all.  (i thought you guys had already passed the subject when i crashed so i typed this to dera before i'd realized you were still on point. Done)
 
[17:57:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Awesomeeeeee.. well said.. Next on our Agenda...
 
[17:57:28] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): looks at Laszlo
 
[17:57:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): fantastic idea Chad. lets move on, for the sake of people running out of time - there will be another discussion on this later perhaps to continue the subject.
 
[17:57:56] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Closing comments... From our side, we are trying to keep doing all we can to optimize prims on existing structures, remove redundant structures and add more rentals on SIM. Having said that, we don't take any invasive changes lightly. So we will keep making changes. But we will make them slowly and carefully. In the meantime, we do understand housing is a concern. If you have really been really trying for weeks and can't get hold of a house, please get in touch with Dera so that we know if the problem is escalating. Please note that when I say "a" house, I mean your first house on SIM. Not moving from one property to another. We have 63 houses but only few houses of each type. In terms of what we take away from this meeting, I believe a B&B came up and to keep doing what we are already doing in terms of optimizing existing builds & businesses and adding more rentals within existing resources. As for what Roxanne just said.... I don't think we are at that point just yet. The SIM runs just fine. We monitor SIM
[17:57:56] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  lag everyday. If we do get to the point where the SIM is a bottleneck, we are DEFINITELY getting one.

2. How do we engage and retain new Roleplayers?

[17:58:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 2. How do we engage and retain new Roleplayers?
 
    * What we do :
        - Advertise to the Second Life Community via search engine optimization, destination guide, travel blogs, SIM upgrades and events.
        - Ease barrier to entry by using highly simplified rules and registration processes. Provide helpful guides to assist new Roleplayers.
        - Personally welcome new roleplayers who fill out the citizenship application. That way they know they can approach someone for help.
        - Roleplay Roleplay Roleplay (especially with new roleplayers).
 
    * To discuss :
        - The admin team is doing all it can to attract new players. How can the community help?
        - New players getting intimidated / ignored has been highlighted as a concern. How do we keep them engaged beyond the first few minutes instead of scaring them away?
        - Length of posts has been mentioned as one of the more intimidating things. Can we have a bit of give and take here?
        - The idea of having a welcoming
[17:58:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  committee has been mentioned. We were actually hoping the whole community would be one giant welcoming committee. Can we make this easier somehow?
        - OOC meetings to welcome newcomers and introduce them to the SIM have been proposed. Do we have enough folks to drive this? What should the frequency be?
        - New roleplayers have been overwhelmed by the sheer number of RP opportunities on SIM. Is this something that can be / should be streamlined?
_______________________________________________________________________
 
[17:58:29] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): @
 
[17:58:45] Bethann Causten: @
 
[17:58:53]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): Leigh, beth.
 
[17:59:01] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[17:59:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Leigh Beth, Makenzie
 
[17:59:39] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Leigh, Beth, Zoe, Mak
 
[17:59:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): mutters...
 
[18:00:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) whispers... "Sorry. I am excited at all this discussion"
[18:00:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): uhuh
 
[18:00:23] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): In terms of attracting new players, I've had several friends come to the sim and then be driven away because, while most are friendly, there are some who, shall we say, look down their noses when someone's RP isn't as good as others. Not everyone is a para rper...and para rp isn't always necessary. That being said, new players will be attracted by activity on the streets and in businesses, which is lacking in the city.
 
[18:00:27]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): we're so cute.
 
[18:00:38] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): done
 
[18:00:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Beth,  Mak
 
[18:01:08]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): @
 
[18:01:14] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Please take a seat anywhere those who are just arriving
 
[18:01:21] Bethann Causten: I was new to SL RP when I joined.  What got me to stay was someone taking the time to pull me into their RP, even if it was just saying hi on the street.  I think one of the biggest things we can do is if someone is new then try and pull them in.  I've taken a couple of new RPers under my wing with varying levels of sucess is there a more organized way fo doing that.  And 2 would folks like another hunt someday, it seemed to draw folks in from other sims?  Done
 
[18:01:30] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Mak, Zoe
 
[18:01:49] Ŧяαηкïєﻬ (rabbitxheart): @
 
[18:01:59] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Mak, Zoe, Frankie
 
[18:02:05] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[18:02:09] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): we have several people that are here during times of no rp, just sitting in rentals, not necessarily afk, just..waiting for someone to be here to rp.  I know lately peole have been having a lot of fun playing with our greeter bot, so...why not have that as a possible "job" have people who want to be an embassador of sorts when they aren't busy to sit there,  play with the bot and greet people as they come off the ferry.  Make them feel welcome, even if it is just a short rp
 
[18:02:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): , Zoe, Franki, Lex, Jez
[18:02:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @
 
[18:02:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Zoe, Franki, Lex, Jez, Laszlo
 
[18:04:28] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Sit anywhere Warwick. It will help with the lag. If anyone's viewer is hanging up, please use CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+4 to disable all avatars.
 
[18:04:40] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): You won't see us but you will hear us
 
[18:05:02] Dion Bremer: @
 
[18:05:10] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Frankie, Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion
 
[18:05:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): err after ZOE
 
[18:05:39] Synthiia Beaumont: @
 
[18:06:07] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): @
 
[18:06:07] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Frankie, Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia.. still after Zoe
 
[18:06:30] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Frankie, Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker.. anytime zoe... smirks
 
[18:07:32]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): continuing on beth and leigh's points.-> 1) Activity on streets.
We really need to encourage this but the admin team can't do a whole lot without the help of the community. The enthusiasm of most of this community is actually inspirational, but i do want to seize the opportunity to encourage ALL of you to look out for new arrivals and just snag them into whatever story you can. Maybe you're breaking into somewhere and they can be a witness.. maybe you decide to try and mug them, maybe you just want a cup of tea with someone or have a drink at the bar and chat about things with em... It would be really cool if people continued to make the effort to go around and RP instead of spending time inside a rental whenever possible/convenient! If everyone has the initiative, this actually becomes really easy to incorporate beth's point of having mentors and such for new players!
[18:07:53]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): (done for now)
 
[18:08:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): done?*
 
[18:08:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Frankie, Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker
 
 
[18:08:52] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): @
 
[18:09:00] Ŧяαηкïєﻬ (rabbitxheart): Okay, so I know that I started coming here around the holidays, and as such it wasn't particularly busy.  But there were a few things I've noticed since then.  1) A lot of older players here don't take the time to engage people that are new to the sim.  I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, but it's true.  That I've seen, not many people have really taken the initiative to bring people into their story lines--whether they are sim wide story lines or just personal stories people are looking to develop.  2) What beth did with the hunt was great, but as has already been brought up a lot of the businesses are empty, so it was difficult to approach it like a rp event.  3) A lot of people won't wait for you to say something.  They'll stop next to you for two minutes and if you don't say something they just keep walking.  Which I get, but in a place where para rp is so common....at least im the person, give them more than 2 minutes, but don't stop next to someone and then just leave :\  I know I personally have spent
 
[18:09:00] Ŧяαηкïєﻬ (rabbitxheart):  a lot of time in my rental the past few days, but a lot of that has been lack of development and that my schedule sucks.
 
[18:09:03] Ŧяαηкïєﻬ (rabbitxheart): done
 
[18:09:13] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker
 
[18:09:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker eVA
 
[18:09:59] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[18:10:02] Poe Biafra (sensual.sparkle): @
 
[18:10:50] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe
 
[18:11:10] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (waiting for comments)
 
[18:11:21] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lez.. go please
 
[18:11:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex*
 
[18:11:27] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Do para rp'ers get discouraged when the rp is lighter? Not a statement, question. I wonder if you win some, lose some no matter the approach. I recall one of the complaints about Harrison was that the roleplay was on the "light" side. (done)
 
[18:11:58] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I know I dont.. I welcome all kinds... Id hope all od us do.
 
[18:12:02] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): of*
[18:12:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez, Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe
 
[18:12:16]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I agree with what Makenzie said. I think the Greeter could be replaced by someone who can ambassador during slow rp hours (midnight to 8 am PST). I was hear this morning at 6 o'clock in the morning and it was just absolutely dead. I was greeting new people and got some crazy convos.. It was fun. It will also help weed out trolls and stuff, i believe. I think a more lenient rp demand would be great too. I think people are a little flummoxed at the idea of para rp. I think the roleplay should be give what you can. Not everyone is good with Paragraphs. I have my bad days myself. I just wonder how people who come in who have never RP'd before feel.
 
[18:12:38] Lex (lexbot.sinister): it can be REALLY hard to be engaging with someone that doesn't let you type out a whole sentence before they walk on.
 
[18:12:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): @ to lex's question
 
[18:12:46]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): ((done))
 
[18:12:58] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I usually IM them and let them know
 
[18:13:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo,Dion,Synthiia,Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe anddd.. Zoe?
 
[18:13:49] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I just want to point out that Dera, Dean and I have been busy over the holiday season (In fact I disappear altogether soon), but for the first nine months of SIM opening, the three of us literally hunted down people with the Tourist tag. Getting them involved in your storyline is great ! But even a single welcome goes a long way. Showing them your Roleplay, showing them the SIM in Roleplay. Another thing we do is to just leave ourself in an open place. The cafe uptown for example, or the bench beside the diner. Dots draw dots. Sure it sounds like metagaming but Roleplay is a social activity. Now, as far as the greeter goes, I would be happy to put up a second chair beside the bot... And I would be glad if people did take the effort to engage players as they walk on SIM... I just want to let you know that its going to be very hit and miss and you should be ready for that frustration. Some will just walk on without noticing your post, some will be AFK reviewing the rules, and some will assume you are a bot
[18:13:49] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  even if you make a long full post.
 
[18:14:09] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): (done)
 
[18:14:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Dion,Synthiia,Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe anddd.. Zoe Still want to add something??
 
[18:14:45] Dion Bremer: I'm totally new _here_ (i've basically been inactive from sl for 3 years) and after a bit of trying to figure out the place, its feel and rythym i really like it. Admittedly i felt way too rusty and havent RPd anywhere big since my Midian days a long long time ago.
 
The stuff that helped me get over my intimidation of AP was:
1. THE WEBSITE, really well designed, informative and complete.
2. The way you allow people to apply to HELP WANTED and jump into roles without waiting  days for approval.
3. THE INTERACTIONS i've had ICly with more experienced players - i think you do an awesome job of being welcoming AND treating people like adults and then adapting to thier style without being judgemental about it
4. Rl, I'm at the bottom of the planet and a big draw back is im never on at times other are, but that seems not such a big issue here - it might be cos there are loads of aussies? :P
Could you be more inviting??? im not sure, i definitely feel like i didnt have to join a clique to be welcomed here
[18:14:45] Dion Bremer:  ((done!))
 
[18:15:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Thank you Dion and welcome to AP!!
[18:15:38] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Synthiia,Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe
 
[18:15:47] Synthiia Beaumont: I'm completely new to RP; AP is the first and only sim I've RP'd on. In reading the agenda, I think the idea of not only a welcoming committee, but a "RP newbie" committee would really be beneficial in terms of reducing the intimidation that new RP'ers would encounter. Some OOC "RP 101" classes would be so helpful. I know many people who would love to RP but are put off by the culture of shunning novices so they rather not RP at all. If not for a friend who already RP'd here, I wouldn't have come at all and that's how most novice RP'ers feel. Maybe start asking if people are willing to volunteer to take RP newbies under their wing and show them around?  ((done!))
 
[18:16:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tinker, Eva, Rox, Poe... And not sure abotu Zoe yet
[18:16:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): about*
 
[18:16:35] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): I know something I had thought about doing when I saw the salon was not doing well was converting it into a tourism center.  I saw I would have to re-file for the business and I decided to not well do it.  Although when the idea was brought up in group everyone seemed in support of it and well...It would work maybe to have someone guide the tourists in a way with jobs and such it would help them to get acclimated to our way of life in some ways on the island.  Some of you even here in this meeting volunteered if it would happen to help out when needed.  Maybe that is what we need is a central location that would serve as like a tourism center manned by veteran volunteers that can assist.  I know we have the website but one on one would help to not only give us the chance for a great first impression but the opportunity to build and then advance a new player's story with their first RP here in AP was a friendly experience not something that would drive them away.  We could even incorporate in the RP things
[18:16:35] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner):  that Synthiia mentioned.       SECONDLY,  I have seen far too many of us.. including myself.. I want to point this out I am pointing at myself... almost roaming in groups on the sim (I refuse to say clique because well whatever)  But we all do need to expand our rp player base a bit.  Interact with people you would not normally interact with and take the time to get to know them.  Don't say .. "Well he's a stinkin cop I'm not talking to them." or "Pfft they think their better than me because their a doctor."  <---examples of course but people are limiting their RP with others on sim because they are just not going out of their core base.
[18:16:53] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): sorry it's long you gave me time to type  ... Done))
 
[18:17:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): awesome
[18:17:10] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Eva, Rox, Poe
[18:17:35]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): yes i do, and i'm just gonna say it quickly hehe. Lex, yes but not overly so. If its me vs a one liner person, its easy to adapt to them. When I'm in a para RP with someone already and and somene rocks up with a one liner, its easy to slip in a response to them in my paragraph, but they dont usually have the patience to wait or just tl;dr and shoo. It is certainly a psychological obstacle, but not something that CANT be overcome (done)
 
[18:18:01] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Ooh, maybe driving a little tourist train, and having a guided (iC) tour of the town...
 
[18:18:11] Chad Redford (chadredford): @
 
[18:18:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Eva, Rox, Poe, Chad
 
[18:18:36] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): One of our goals when in the initial concept building of the sim was to keep it welcoming to new players which is why early on we had a Stranger Danger week, to have people get out of their comfort zones and get out there and meet or have contact with people they might not usually have. We all fall into groups that we're comfortable with and don't always look outside those circles to see who might be able to be drawn in. Cliques are a dangerous element on any sim..not just for new players but for players who have been wandering the sim and looking to break into or add to a story...just a suggestion of searching out different characters to add to an already existing plot (done) we need another stranger danger week.
 
[18:19:12]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): To Tink: I think the point of the RP should be to test boundaries of your character.
 
[18:19:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): laughs nodding.. remeber that
 
[18:19:34] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): We also did the hurricane to lock people up into two big buildings.
[18:19:42] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Force them to interact :)
 
[18:19:50] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Poe, Chad
 
[18:19:56] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): do it again then...lol sorry
 
[18:20:02]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): that was beautiful, i LOVED The concept of the hurricane
[18:20:08]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): ingenius.
 
[18:20:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes but STRANGER danger was strictly to say GET out there and pick a stranger and talk to them and Rp
 
[18:20:34] Lex (lexbot.sinister): times like the hurricane, i look for other things to do in RL. Sorry.
 
[18:20:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox you are Up hon
 
[18:20:47]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): A winter storm.
 
[18:21:06] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): Okay, so my take on the new people and greeting and the likes. I personally brought my partner aiden here, and I'd like you to notice that he doesnt rp here, while i do. He told me the reason he didn't stay was because there was nothing really to engage him. He got some rp, yes, but where supernatural sims and the likes normally have thse "secrets" that automatically engage you into a storyline, he didn't get that here. It sims to be hard for new people to actively become apart of all of our storylines. I know, at least to my knowledge, it's the groupleaders jobs to kind of yank people into storylines, but from what I've personally see there's a minimum of that happening. And I'm not blaming any groupleaders. It's hard to focus on outside storylines when you already have so many built up. but i think it might be good to reengage that mentality. Maybe even start some newbie friendly rp events, so those who are new to ap can dip their toes into the existing storylines without feeling like they are bothering
[18:21:06] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons):  people. I personally am really shy myself, so it takes me a long time to finally approach someone icly. So situations like that help me A LOT.
 
[18:21:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Done Rox?
 
[18:21:41] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): done, soory.
 
[18:21:42] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Poe, Chad
 
[18:22:07]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I agree Rox
 
[18:22:34] Poe Biafra (sensual.sparkle): I just want to address the reach out and just play concept as others have, if people are out in public, one should assume its something open for others to join in. Example, the other day I was thinking of calling the police on Beau and some chick playing the guitar because it was bothering Poe, but got busy RL but just engage, that is all I have to say. Engage and don't hold back. Done.
 
[18:22:49] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Chad
 
[18:22:54] Chad Redford (chadredford): I really approach this simply .... when I see someone new ...I IM them directly...say hi and ask if they wish to RP...if not then I ask them if they have aany questions about RP or the sim ...then tell them to contact me at any time if they have questions... if we all do this we will be fine
 
[18:22:58] Beau Wright (beauwright) beats poe with his guitar
 
[18:23:11] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines): @
 
[18:23:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Betsy
[18:23:16] Chad Redford (chadredford): done
 
[18:23:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I dont encourage IMs so much.. but to keep it IC and RP... but thats me
 
[18:23:51] Chad Redford (chadredford): @
 
[18:23:59] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): @
 
[18:24:16] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): betsy, Chad, Ade
 
[18:24:19] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. I post first. If the other person doesn't respond, I wait a bit before hitting them up.
 
[18:26:26] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines): For what it's worth, by creating opportunities for people, even those who are new to engage is important. Waiters/waitress in the cafe. The record store was hopping the other night. Come warmer weather, there's an ice cream bicycle thing/stand someone could do and sell icecream on the square when you are on. I think it's more just being available to them. Not being afraid to just start something. I know when I started her, I went to the bank, worked on gettiing a loan, waited until something came open for the dance academy ... just put yourself out there for people. Heck my first night I got piercings *laughs* And the rest they say is history, but that's really my point. Even for new roleplayers is just being out there and welcoming. Oh and hit them an IM to let them know you will work them in, just incase they are coming into a scene. -end-
 
[18:26:56] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Chad, Ade
 
[18:27:15] Chad Redford (chadredford): With all due respect Dera, I totally disagree with you ... we are people first then RP if your talking to a newbie visitor to the sim, you need to relax them by the personal touch. of course thats just my own opinion and approach (done)
 
[18:27:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): We are a RP sim... first.. Done
 
[18:27:58] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): i think its safe to say that if you own/lead you automatically make yourself open for rp. when i post a radio ad, come on down. i try my best to engage with everyone. my schedule is off and i'm on mobile often after 4slt, so if you do see me at home that's mostly why. now, if you want to rp let me know. i'll ask for a tp or brave the mobile screen. and i am down for being a guide, especially since a lot of players are not on during the day are mobile.
 
[18:28:12] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[18:28:14] Chad Redford (chadredford): @
 
[18:28:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Yes the ads are a great idea to say HEY im open for RP
 
[18:28:25] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): People are informed they are entering an RP SIM when they land. If our advertising is off or the bot IM is not going through, please let us know.
 
[18:28:28] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Chad
 
[18:28:31] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): done*
 
[18:29:59] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Events usually draw a lot of people in, but at the same time (due SL being SL) become laggy for many and many get discouraged after a moment about the rp text moving very fast, and missing out on peoples posts. I wonder how it can be done better/differently. (done)
 
[18:30:29] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): good question..but I dont have an answerr..lol LASZLO!
 
[18:30:33] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): chad
 
[18:30:58] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Come up with ideas and discuss it with everyone Lex. I think smaller impromptu events are an idea and that's something we discuss in the use of IC chat.
 
[18:33:06] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Impromptou.. Hmm.. Would it be supported by a notice, or posted in the group chat only?
 
[18:33:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): can do both
[18:33:31] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): well once a notice goes out though.. you know what hapepns
[18:33:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): happens*
 
[18:33:35] Chad Redford (chadredford): I thought this was an open forum?? Dera you just shouted me down in front of all these people and I want an apology. Unless I misread your post in which I will apologize
 
[18:34:38] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I apologize... if you feel i spoke down to you. but as I said I Dont encourage Iming OOCly because we are a IC RP sim.
 
[18:34:54] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[18:35:01] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Roxanne
 
[18:35:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): One sec Rox.. i dont want to push this along if Chad feels I have some how Insulted him
 
[18:35:54] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Type your post out while waiting Rox :) Waiting on your response Chad.
 
[18:36:50]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): To both Dr. D and Chad: I feel that is more of a personal choice, honestly. If people want to IM potential rpers before pursuing that's their choice.
 
[18:36:55]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): you can also choose to sort it out in IMs alternatively if you feel so inclined!
 
[18:37:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I agree.. but I dont encourage it. because we are a IC RP sim is all.
 
[18:37:49] Chad Redford (chadredford): I understand this is a RP sim but IMing directly does not affect the RP between two individuals. Its a method of communication. IMing is a function I have and will contyinue to use it in a way that enhances mySL experience. Now the other chats are a different story all together ... That I understand
 
[18:37:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Yes Chad can IM me if he chooses.. Ihave no issue with taking it there either
 
[18:38:03]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): i think there maybe a miscommunication here. finding roleplay partners in IMs is completely fine.
 
[18:38:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
 
[18:38:40] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[18:38:48]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): but when it is a scene based in AP, involving AP things, it is far better and more encouraged to use local because it encourages/allows others to join :) (done)
 
[18:39:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Lex
 
[18:39:25] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I just wanted to say... I'm in agreement with dera on the imming people. Dera and Rumour, and even Laszlo to an extent, I believe, understand some of the issues I've had when I im someone and boundaries get pushed. I'll generally only im someone if i see them standing idle in the street to make sure they aren't afk. Other than that i try to keep ims to a minimum for the most part. Though that is a personal choice. I know plenty of people on sim who use ims to organize rps and the likes. ^^(done)
 
[18:40:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): nods.. it is a Choice... I just dont encourage it... doesnt mean DONT do it..
 
[18:40:07] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex
 
[18:40:14] тiαຮнα Qυιηէєຮຮα βσşşσĹĮŇĮ (tiasha.galicia): @
 
[18:40:29] Lex (lexbot.sinister): I'd like a clarification on something: Would chasing green dots ever be considered as metagaming on this sim, aside special cases like the police chasing the villain green dot, or looking for someone in a place where IC you shouldn't be looking. (i've been on a sim where looking at the map altogether was a no no)
 
[18:40:56]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): using a map to influence ANY IC decision is metagaming.))
 
[18:41:22] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Even as to see where people are to rp with?
 
[18:41:25] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): That's a tricky question Lex... Following green dots to find RP is fine. Following a "specific" dot because your RP involves that person is definitely metagaming.
 
[18:41:25] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[18:41:37] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
 
[18:42:32]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): unless both parties are in agreement and okay with it, for example if i lead you on a tour in the sewers and you dont want me to get out of chat range, etc. To find a random new person with a green dot is okay, but i'd still not tell anyone to do that because as soon as you use a map you become open to allegations of metagaming made against you (done)
 
[18:42:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
 
[18:43:59] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I'd have to agree with Laszlo on this one. There's a difference between using map to hunt people down, and using it for constructive purposes. there's been times when i've logged onto the sim and seen masses in one section, like tonight, mind you, just to find out there was an event of some sort happening that i wasnt aware of because my notices get capped. general rule of thumb though is if I follow a dot, I'll ask if i can enter the scene before i do it just so I don't make anyone fell meta'd
[18:44:43] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (done)
 
[18:44:45] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay to sum up, I think we have heard a lot of excellent ideas on this subject. I have also seen that there seem to be people who are extremely driven and motivated to help. Please please please... Do start networking with others with similar mentalities and start driving these efforts. If you need any props, anything on the website, or even a simple notice, please just draft up a notecard and send it to us. That's what we are here for. To help. To assist with and facilitate your efforts. I know a lot of people are used to SIMs where everything is top down but we are a community  here and we depend on the players to make things come alive. Your ideas are our ideas. And with that we move onto the next agenda item.
 
[18:45:05] Lex (lexbot.sinister): I'm asking, because i render the whole sim at once, so i have no problem seeing ahead as far as the street goes, but others might actually need to look at the map to see if there are any people out at all.
 
[18:46:06] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Well actually before I do, we will send out the log... But please look around the room and identify other people who feel similarly as you and work on something together. If you need to do OOC welcome the newbies, that's great.. If you wanna sit by the bot, we will make it happen. Just figure out how many of you are willing to drive such an effort and put time into it. As for the map thing Lex.. I think Rox captured it better than I did.

3. Roleplay

[18:46:27] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 3. Roleplay
 
    * Current guidelines :
        - Build and SIM storyline support a huge diversity of RP opportunities, but the RP itself is purely player driven. Any player can spark off a storyline, any player can organize an event, any player can send in articles to be published on the news. We received several Roleplay ideas as part of the survey but we cannot drive these ideas by ourselves. If you wish to make these happen, please draft a proposal and we will work with you to make it happen.
        - Balance in Roleplay is determined by players on SIM. We do provide tools to give all sides an equal chance to survive. For example, the sewers have hidden Teleport based rooms for private roleplay; housing and businesses are spread across neighborhoods, the SIM storyline ensures that the RLD is relatively protected from cops etc.
 
    * Discuss community concerns / ideas :
        - Are current guidelines & restrictions too permissive / too restrictive?
        - Disconnect between RLD, lower town and
[18:46:27] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  upper town has been highlighted as a concern. Is this a real concern?
        - Misbalance between law enforcement / criminal elements has been highlighted as a concern. Is this a real concern?
        - Not all businesses have active leads. Can something be done?
        - Variability in number of events has been highlighted as a concern. Some weeks are too quiet. Please step up if you have an idea!
 
[18:47:16]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): @
 
[18:47:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez.. ya up !
 
[18:47:37] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @ on behalf of Tinker
 
[18:47:37]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): Let me copy paste
 
[18:47:48] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez, Tinker?
 
[18:48:08]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): [16:50]  jezeвel devιl : I like the idea of the town itself but the I feel like there could be a general plot and direction fo everyone There's talk in the website about something brewing underneath about gangs having been shut up and everything, but I don't feel like that is shown enough. Maybe that sounds crazy but it 's just something I notice. Everyone does their own thing. Maybe I just haven't been here long enough to notice However, the big plots I've noticed is the Blood drive, Bea getting kidnapped and then Zoe getting kidnapped but that's because it happened because I was around. I just feel like if there's a general goal or obstacle or something. I unno again probably really fucking stupid the way I'm wording it and I just woke up.
 
[18:48:20] Adeline -Lola- DiSalvator (adelinedisalvator): are we going in -that- order in the agenda or can we touch base on whichever
 
[18:48:36] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we are tryign to stay in order of the agenda Ade..
 
[18:48:48] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez.. Done.. when you are Done please
[18:48:52]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): done
[18:48:57] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): heh thank you
[18:49:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tinker
[18:49:04] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
[18:49:12] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Tinker, Rox
[18:49:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): [18:05] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner): Something you all brought up was for those of us rp'ing on the mainland was there issues.  Something I have noticed is like we use a ferry to get back and forth.  Their not taxi cabs that can be hailed at will.  Has there been discussion on like a time table and such that can be used for the ferry?  The only reason I mention this is far too often I see people either come in and do crimes and then just jump the ferry and leave...which dead ends the rp or just as I said use it like a cab service.. It's a boat..on the ocean.  LOL  (Done)
 
The other thing is this:  Cross-Sim Rp.  I know we are all for story lines but there needs to be some kind of limitations.   I watched Person A get in a fight with Person B in DE... then fight in group OOC and then Person B came over here where he shot Person A then just hopped on a ship and sailed away.  Person B will probably not come back for a month as they don't rp here.... so a) it kills the RP line on
[18:49:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  our end as now there is a crime in AP that can't be solved AND B)
 
[18:05] Tɨռӄɛʀɮɛʟʟ ߥƦÐ Hʊռȶɛʀ   (tawny.gellner):  why... the altercation did not even take place here yet our sim is having to deal with the clean up of a IC/OOC mess of anther sim that we don't even get the traffic out of.
 
[18:50:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): anyone call a MOD for that?
 
[18:50:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): [Ade if you wanna touch base on something you're worried you won't have time to stick around for, you can IM me and i'll bring it up!]
 
[18:50:51] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): @
 
[18:50:57] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we seem to have this issue where people aren't calling a MOD to deal with things that we usually can get cleared up rather fast if called.
 
[18:51:10]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): okay thank you. THIS.
 
[18:51:11] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @ Dera's question : Nope
 
[18:51:37] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Leigh
 
[18:51:41]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): @
 
[18:51:54] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Leigh, Zoe
 
[18:52:18] Chad Redford (chadredford): Sorry for posting out of turn but I have to leave. I just wanted to say that I feel this is a great Sim and all I want to do is contribute. You all have done a great job. Dera nothing personal just enthusiastic discussion is all. You all have a great night!
 
[18:52:32] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[18:52:36] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Night Chad !
 
[18:52:39] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Thank you Chad. and Take care.. see you soon
 
[18:52:40] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): well, on my side, to start things off... I sometimes feel like the red light is a little, well, too protected from police and the likes. and while I understand the rp behind it, and that noone wishes to discourage rp, sometimes i feel like it's actually discouraging more rp than it's starting. to my knowledge there is very little interactions between the red light and the police, short of a lot of Othello's rp, and my side rp with warwick. I'm not sure of how to help this short of constructing events that the police can actively crash or the likes....?
 
[18:53:26] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Roxanne... Come up with ideas and wwork it out with Warwick. The reason we put that in the lore was because we didnt want the cops overwhelming all the criminal RP.
 
[18:53:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Zoe, Lex
[18:53:51] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): leigh!
[18:53:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): sorry
[18:54:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Leigh, Zoe, Lex
 
[18:54:10] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @
 
[18:54:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Leigh, Zoe, Lex,Laszlo
 
[18:55:24] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[18:55:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Leigh, Zoe, Lex, Laslo,Desanta
 
[18:56:06] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): In terms of a disconnect between Upper town and RLD, yes, there is a disconnect. Part of it is the fact that you are trying to account for all economic spheres on the island which in some ways isn't realistic. Also, you have people living in Upper town, who clearly shouldn't be able to "afford" to live there but they want the nice houses/area so they are living there instead of RLD where they RP for the most part. I see no mis balance between cops and criminals. What I do see are the cops trying really hard to do their jobs but they get a lot of drama from people that want to play aggrandized criminals with super powers. The criminals here aren't organized which is a part of the major problem with a preconceived notion of imbalance. there needs to be someone in RLD and perhaps other parts of town that is the designated crime boss for the area so people know where to go to if they want to be a drug dealer, prostitute, etc.
[18:56:34] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): done
[18:56:45] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): ((oh, and I'm not talking about you Zoe. I still love you dear.))
 
[18:56:59] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): here here
 
[18:57:02] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Zoe, Lex, Laslo,Desanta
 
[18:57:46] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[18:57:53] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines): @
 
[18:57:59] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Zoe, Lex, Laslo,Desanta, Rox, Betsy
 
[19:01:08]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): 1) make mod calls.
 
2) make mod calls.
 
3) ...MAKE MOD CALLS
 Now of COURSE I am available for any discreet concerns via IMs, at anytime.. (and so is everyone else in the admin team) and you can talk to anyone if something is bothering you, but on the topic of modcalls that dera breifly mentioned - please do NOT be shy or hesitant to make an anonymous modcall. Remember that whatever your concerns are, we cannot do anymore than simply listen to you if you don't actually authorise us to DO something about it... if you want the issue to go away you NEED to make a modcall.
 
on the stuff that leigh mentioned! Just to be clear I have absolutely no urge to not cooperate with cops. Everyone in the PD should know this, I have said this numerous times in OOC chat too - i play the character how it is.. and i welcome anyone to try and start ANY RP with her. On the matter of the 'crime boss' yes, i completely agree. I do intend to eventually go down the road of bringing together a faction so crime on the island becomes
[19:01:08]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va):  more organised, if anyone has ideas or want to help me do that, please do!! Organised crime is a pretty important step in the evolution of this island's story.
 
[19:01:25] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Laslo,Desanta, Rox, Betsy
 
[19:02:12] Jaden (jaden.perl): @
 
[19:02:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Done Zoe?..... Lex, Laslo,Desanta, Rox, Betsy, Jaden
 
[19:03:50] Lex (lexbot.sinister) waits.
 
[19:05:05]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): done done!!))
[19:05:09]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): sorry, IMs lol))
 
[19:05:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): lex
 
[19:05:21] Lex (lexbot.sinister): About hopping onto the ferry like if it was a taxi : People roleplaying a thing, getting what they wanted, and then leaving happens on every sim, everywhere. I'm not sure if there are ways to stop it, without having to micromanage every bit of RP happening. Like, someone might want to rp rape. They go find a victim, rp their part, they are happy and go do something else. While the cops are being given a victim and a lead that goes nowhere. I don't see how you can later force someone to rp something they aren't interested in. Sure, you can speak to them, even ban them, but rarely will that make them stay with the consequences (done).
 
[19:05:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laslo,Desanta, Rox, Betsy, Jaden
 
[19:05:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): So I will add to the cross SIM RP bit... Cross SIM RP unfortunately is going to be a bit sticky. We can't force anyone to stay on SIM and RP out the consequences. What we can do is somehow make it more interesting for them.  If someone does come on SIM to RP and check out Asphyxiation Point, that's already a plus. I understand unsolved criminal activity may feel like a minus but if the RP goes far enough, it can also be picked up if and when the perpetrator comes back on SIM. You will always win some and lose some and this is amongst the few you will feel like you are losing. Let me also speak briefly to Jez's points about the gangs... Jez... Just like any other RP, the gangs are not admin controlled. They are player driven. Which touches upon Leigh's point as well. The reason we put the faction process in and made it so dependent on cooperation is to make sure they were big enough where they actually could be considered "organized". We have had several points in time when it has been organized. And I
[19:05:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  believe it is getting to that direction again. But I don't think organization itself solves what you are talking about Leigh. What you are talking about seems to be more of a powergaming issue which really should be negotiated and brought up to a moderator. Roleplay is about give and take. If you feel the other person is not giving enough,, share your concern with them. If you are unable to reach a resolution, ask for a moderator to mediate.
 
[19:05:43] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): (done)
 
[19:05:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Smiles at Lex and givess her a gold star
 
[19:06:00] Lex (lexbot.sinister): aww!
 
[19:06:15] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) wants a gold tar too.... "DeSanta"
 
[19:06:30]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va) gives laszlo lots of tar.
 
[19:06:39] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): The original idea behind the RLD was a sort of grey area, somewhere where criminal RP could be encouraged,, and to that end we decided that cops wouldn't patrol there and built it into the RP that this was a sordid but vital area for the island's economy. But the cops still come when called, we have raided in the RLD in the past and no doubt will in the futur as the storylines dictate. Obviously police presence is bad for business down there and the smarter criminal would want to avoid it. And these sort of ideas are all being played out in storylines at the moment. I think the RLD's status as being a bit lawless, where a blind eye is turned to vice, makes it a really important commudity in the sim and the source of a lot of conflict, and of course conflict makes for some great RP. So personally, I think not actively patrolling the area is of greater benefit to the nature of the area, it could be and should be a healthy area for criminal RP to flourish without the worry a cop's going to walk around the
[19:06:39] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): corner - which can happen everywhere else on the sim.
 
[19:06:43] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Snarls at Zoe
[19:06:45] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): (done)
 
[19:06:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Betsy, Jaden
 
[19:08:45] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thank you Warwick :) ~definitely gets a star~ Roxanne you could also see if your activities could spread beyond the RLD to draw the attention of the cops etc. We intended the RLD to provide a bit of shelter but being there doesn't make you untouchable. Again... The cops are just reactive not proactive over there is all.
 
[19:09:33] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[19:09:34] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Time check... To get to the other topics we will probably move off this topic with Jaden.
 
[19:09:36] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Oops
[19:09:38] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): With Maeve
 
[19:09:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Betsy, Jaden,Maeve
 
[19:11:05] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): leigh there have been attempts to do such a thing as organizing crime bosses and the likes. the issue comes into play, that for the cops to accurately do their job icly, they need to go for the head of the snake. and it's really easy for team of cops to sting a solo player. and short of building some sort of reason into the lore itself why it shouldn't be so easy for the cops to get to that person, it's fairly easy to take them out. and while they are in jail or prison it leaves everyone else without much to go on.  another issue brought up by this, is if the rld is completely organized, it doesnt allow for a lot movement for other criminals without having them turn on each other icly, which sort of leaves us where we are currently at icly. two groups going head to head while the police are sort of unable to intervene because of the current ic deal between the rld and police department. All the gears are there, we just need to find a way to make them turn without stepping on eachother's toes oocly in the
[19:11:05] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons):  process. I know for a time their awhile ago there was even a high town crime syndicate, not sure what happened with that. As Zoe said earlier, as a major criminal player in ap, I'd love for anyone who'd like to help out with this to feel free to im me. And as warwick just said, interaction between the  police and the rld is vital. I believe ive set up a few events in the past that warwick and the police have actively raided. Though you are right, Warwick, it's a benefit that most criminals dont have to actively worry when in the red light. And yes, Laszlo... I'm going to. thank you. ^^
 
[19:11:50] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): @
 
[19:12:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Betsy, Jaden,Maeve,Brooke
 
[19:12:35] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): @
 
[19:13:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Betsy, Jaden,Maeve,Brooke,Leigh
 
[19:15:03] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Jaden, Maeve, Brooke, Leigh please keep your posts ready. Betsy waiting on you.
 
[19:15:38] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines): I just really want to caution, before making judgments on some things, find out if there is an IC reason for it. For example, why someone might be living in the upper city but doing a lot in the RLD.  For example, there were two suits down near the RLD last night, shady real estate investers. They were brilliant. Don't remember their names but dying to get wrapped up in a story some how with them if/when I can find them again.  And to support what Roxy said, I think there's starting to be a balance and growth for the organized crime in the RLD with the two waring parties. But, as she said, we need to have a balance to keep the head of the snake going. I would like to remind people that those of us who are down in the RLD, there are benefits to engaging, it doesn't mean your part of the district persae. Guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see a mixing, where players are broadening their horizons. Cops on the take, a woman who was in an accident hooked on pain killers and needing to buy them coming down that
 
[19:15:38] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines):  way, etc. But pretty much everything that roxy said too -end-
 
[19:15:51] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jaden,Maeve,Brooke,Leigh
 
[19:15:56] Jaden (jaden.perl): I think the organized crime thing is a great idea and a suggestion I would have is revisiting the site info on factions. I don't it makes much sense to base the groups/gangs/factions off the businesses. In reality some businesses would not take a side or would hope to stay out of the problems. Creating groups would give the organized criminal people a chance to have OOC presence to new comers to join up but saying they need 3 business leads each doesn't make any sense to me. It seems more like they need people a certain amount to start up and a certain amount to keep the group active on sim. They should have to submit their own direction, leadership, plan for rp like the businesses do.
 
[19:16:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Maeve,Brooke,Leigh
 
[19:16:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): @
 
[19:16:35] Maeve (madb.muircastle): All I'd like to point out is that, with the rental ... war ... as tight as it is, people grab an apartment or house the moment they can get it, even if it's not where their character could afford to rent. With what people who don't know Maeve can see, she is a bartender at Climax who happens to be able to play guitar and rent amps bigger than a buick for a night. :p But she has an apartment up here in the good part of town. Why? the renter of what I ended up with wanted to make sure I got it when she stopped renting, so she called me over before it actually went on the market, as it were. I might suggest that people go to considering 'where' a rental sits be considered OOC information, except/unless in those cases where it would make sense for someone to have that place there. (FIN)
 
[19:16:54] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Brooke,Leigh, Laszl
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[19:17:04] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): Sorry just a question, only because I've just learned about this here, but is it contradictory to have a security company in RLD if RLD is a place for crime to flourish safely? ((posts are too fast and im sorry if someone already said this))
 
[19:18:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): that place is actually a Front for other things I believe
 
[19:18:39] Betsy Monroe (teelah.daines): it is
 
[19:18:45] Bethann Causten: yup
 
[19:18:47] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): got it - ((done))
 
[19:18:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Leigh, Laszlo
 
[19:19:30] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): In regards to the ROLD, have you considered expanding it or changing it's set up? It seems to be the diner and the construction site should be reversed...the diner gets a lot of activity...and has a lot of crime, but it's not really in the RLD. The RLD appears to only be in that one little corner...by changing the layout to extend the businesses down the street up to climax, you'd make the RLD look bigger. new people aren't necessarily going to know how to integrate their crime RP into the crime Rp already happening, which is why having a contact person is beneficial...Betsy, I understand where you're coming from, but as an "innocent" I'm removed from a lot of RPs because I'm not a criminal. We all have to leave ourselves open to RP opportunities.
 
[19:20:16] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[19:20:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Laszlo, Desanta
[19:21:11] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay. I think we have discussed the motivations behind the business requirement for factions in the past but I will repeat it again... We don't want random gangs at Asphyxiation Point. They come and go way too fast. What we want is organized crime. Which means they need to be tied to a home base. Which is why the requirement on getting opt-in from three businesses. They don't need to be based OUT of those businesses. They just need to have heavy involvement with those factions whether that is as a supplier, a gang member or whatever. The OOC angle to this is that it promotes cooperation before conflict. Most of you must have been on SIMs where factions are just a means for people to go about disrupting other people's Roleplay without putting in sufficient Roleplay themselves. To respond to Leigh.... We occassionally make build changes to balance out neighborhoods. But just because the diner has a criminal element at the current point in time doesn't mean it will always have one. The reason for splititng
[19:21:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  things that way was to allow other types of factions to come up. For example, Dean could get fed up with the criminal elements in his backyard and pick up a shotgun along with two or three of the other businesses in his area. Expansion is somethign we can definitely look at but it shouldn't be at the cost of overwhelming other RP on SIM.
 
[19:21:35] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[19:21:58] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta , Maeve
 
[19:22:05] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): (Yes I am done)
[19:22:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Sorry !
 
[19:22:14] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[19:22:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta, Maeve, Rox
 
[19:23:06] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): Back to the status of the RLD thing and the relationships with the PD/tolerance Zone etc. There are always opporunities for this to be changed up as part of simwide plots. IE something happens that causes the truce to end and the cops to clamp down on the RLD etc etc...
 
[19:23:25] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[19:23:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yes. That is true. Also the zoning is meant to encourage certain types of Roleplay in each zone. Not to stifle others.
 
[19:24:31] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Done Desanta?...... Maeve, Rox, Makenzie
 
[19:25:19] Maeve (madb.muircastle): Considering expansion of the sim, could something be done with the MASSIVELY EMPTY HILL where the church sits? And/or the park in the theater district? If the two park locations were reduced to one, that could give more space to other things (like a civic center, eliminating the need to tear down and rebuild the theater every month or so, which I know has to be a pain in Laszlo's behind)... with the children's playground equipment in the theater area's park, it might give the wrong idea of what this sim's about to people wandering through. (FIN)
 
[19:25:29] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Maeve...Simple answer prims.
 
[19:25:42] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): its about Prims Maeve
[19:25:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): not space
 
[19:25:48] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): As for the playground.... If we need more prims, that's gonna be the first thing to go.
[19:25:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes
 
[19:25:57] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): (done! sorry!))
 
[19:26:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
[19:26:25] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Makenzie
 
[19:27:29] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): honestly..... on faction requirments. I'd have to agree with laszlo. It is fairly easy to become an active faction. Free floating factions are just... too chaotic..... if that makes sense. I personally find that when players have nothing binding them to the sim they act way too unexpectedly. cause too much trouble, and when they are finally caught or whatever have you, it's easy to just not log back into a sim, and leave them with unended storylines. personally, i don't want to get my arm shot off by someone who might not come back to the sim. at least if they are tied to a business of some sort i know that they are invested in the sim beyond just to cause trouble. i have some sort of knowledge that i can go shank the bitch that shot my arm off if they have a business. plus it's really easy to find three business that can team up. As I said. IM me! -flaily points at herself- I wants to halpz criminalz rp
 
[19:28:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Done Rox?............. Makenzie
 
[19:28:15] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (done keep forgetting >.< i sawwy)
 
[19:28:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Makenzie...
 
[19:28:27] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): I can say that there really are plenty of rp opportunities for "Innocents" like us Leigh.  You just have to look for them.  I too play an innocent...for the most part...and in running the club, while I am not directly involved, there are activities going on that are...supposed ot be out of my knowledge range, other than ICly being informed about it.  Innocents can be involved, without being a criminal in those rps.    Having the pd at the club all the time would cramp that kind of rp.  I think really, the balance is pretty good.  As for the people that commit a crime and run...I guess watching how often it happens, and if it is the same people, or group, then making sure admins are aware of names and letting them take it from an administrative stand point would be the next step.  The rp opportunities are there,  just not always in your face.
 
[19:28:29] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): done
 
 
[19:30:10] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Your limits are really only restricted in your own imagination
 
[19:30:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea... To sum up, I think the balance issue is mostly a powergaming issue. Roleplay is all about give and take. Roleplay the give and take IC. If that fails, get into the other person's politely and explain your concerns. If that doesn't work calll for a mod. At the same time, you reallly cannot force someone who doesn't want to Rp with you to put in the effort of doing a good scene with you. So also remember you are going to win some and lose some. I think that was the last comment on this subject right?
 
[19:30:45] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): next on Agenda.....
 
[19:31:07] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): whewwww... we dying out here do we need to do a part 2?
 
[19:31:10] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Let'snot spend too much  time on this as the EU folks are in bed. But I did want to highlight this :
 
[19:31:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): or we all still alive?

4. Timezones

[19:31:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 4. Timezones
 
    * Current guidelines :
        - It is an equal opportunity SIM where players from all timezones may come RP, take up leadership positions, organize events etc. Both Roleplay activity and events are player driven (except for SIM wide events which we spread across timezones).
 
    * To discuss
        - Amount of roleplay activity in EU friendly times of the day (Morning SLT) has been highlighted as a concern. Most players are logged in on their phones, thus limiting RP activity even if there are avatars on SIM.
            - US players are encouraged to move their weekend events earlier occasionally.
            - We would love to have more than one lead in every business to cover multiple timezones.
            - EU players are reminded they can also organize events, apply for lead etc.
_______________________________________________________________________
 
[19:31:43] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): Ah the timezones issue is got too too late for the Euro peeps :P
 
[19:31:44] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yeah without them here.. Im not sure what to say.. MOVE?
 
[19:31:45] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[19:31:45] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): smirks
 
[19:31:50] Bethann Causten: @
 
[19:31:50] Leigh Steerpike (leigh.silvershade): ((gotta go. night)
 
[19:31:52] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): If you are active in the mornings, please put yourself out there. I wanted to highlight it even though I know this is late in the evening just to let you know there are people who are very interested in RPing in the morning.
 
[19:32:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beth
 
[19:32:13] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) laughs... Oh look ! We have comments. Yes. Go ahead Rox, Beth
 
[19:32:26] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[19:32:27] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): typing now one sec, didnt have time to pretype this on
 
[19:32:37] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beth, Maeve
[19:32:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): is okay Rox
[19:32:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): just say done .. when ay done.. smirks
 
[19:33:14] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[19:33:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beth, Maeve,Lex
[19:33:39] Xander Rallier: @
 
[19:33:48] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[19:34:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beth, Maeve,Lex,Xander, Makenzie
 
[19:34:28] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (nm, skip me. )
 
[19:34:41] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beth, Maeve,Xander, Makenzie
 
[19:35:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): new comers please sit it helps with Lag
 
[19:36:50] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): on this subject, as far as time zones go and multiple leads, i know me and othello have done it thus far, not sure how many others have, or even if they know they have ability to do this. We've created various roles in our groups. allowing for other's to join in and gain some sort of control. Like in the skin deep group, you'll find Othello as the shop owner, me as the manager, bets as the counter girl and ect. to allow for different levels of control and power. At the red room I'm trying to impliment the same with a manager, a bouncer, call girls/boys, show girls/boys, and the likes. just because you are the owner doesnt mean you have to be the only one running it. I know because of my rl job i have a tendency to be on during later us times. and because i live in ny and I'm three hours behind slt my hours are usually always 9 slt-1 am slt. so it makes it hard for me to schedule earlier than that unless i schedule events for my days off.
 
[19:37:36] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Excellent comment Rox. Thank you. The same might apply the other way too for leads based in the complementary timezone.
 
[19:37:48] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): done?
 
[19:37:50] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Are you done? XD
 
[19:37:51] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Lol
 
[19:37:57] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Beth, Maeve,Xander, Makenzie
 
[19:37:59] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (GODDAMNED IT)
 
[19:38:05] Bethann Causten: While not ideal it is possible to RP on mobile.  I did a police interview on mobile because that's when it was continent. I have also posted in local when I hear street RP just to remind folks I'm around if they wanted to break in etc.  Heck my entire kidnapping was done on mobile (although I was supposed to be found when I was on a computer. )  Mobile makes it harder but not impossible. (done)
 
[19:38:06] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (>.< DONE)
 
[19:38:30] Bethann Causten: convenient*
 
[19:38:40] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thanks Beth.. And that comment might help people who are actively walking around on SIM and wonder why others are stuck in their places.
 
[19:38:44] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Maeve?
 
[19:39:07] Maeve (madb.muircastle): Remembering the spate of murders (etc) that kind of started the black market organ crime spree, there were people who would commit crimes on EU time and then not know who to talk to, if any, and the police weren't on. Since we can't -require- that people roleplay here 24/7. Could we have a sort of mailbox / cardboard cut-out notecard giver for those people who need police help when no one's on:?
[19:39:11] Maeve (madb.muircastle): ((done))
 
[19:39:26] Xander Rallier: Are the people that are complaining about no EU events actually submitting and throwing events? Honestly I think there are very few that throw themselves out there to put on an event and when they do it should be at a time they want. I understand the EU people have issues but it seems the solution should be instead of them trying to change the US people's schedules they should plan events around times they can attend. We need more EU event throwers not people trying to make it hard on the ones we have.
 
[19:39:36] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[19:39:49] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[19:39:52] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thank you Maeve, Xander. Assuming you are done. Makenzie, Warwick, Roxanne
 
[19:40:13] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[19:40:18]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): Xander has points.
 
[19:40:30] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Makenzie, Warwick, Roxanne, Lex
 
[19:40:52]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): also on the subject: Timezone fucks me in the arse (._. )
[19:40:55]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): [done]
 
[19:42:03] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): I know how hard it is to get the UK people involved in events, and RP when the North American group are usually not on during the day.  I for one and fortunate I can be on atleast mobile, but of course have to pop in and out.  As for events.  I want to try and run at least one event every other week,  and alternate the times so everyone can be involved.  I am always open to suggestions for event ideas at the club.  I too am trying more and more to involved rolls, such as bartenders, DJ's and such.  but..it is hard for the DJs as they have to hope someone is available to switch the stream, and with Sen and Keeffe also busy,  it makes it hard ot make sure the new djs have what they need so it can be managed.  It is great to have someone trying to organzie it and manage it but it is very difficult to have dj'd events at the moment.  not sure on a solution for it, but just a concern.  Done.
 
[19:42:51] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): ((events at Climax))
 
[19:43:04] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thank you Makenzie. Warwick
 
[19:43:07] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): In the precinct, there is a book on a shelf n reception. When you click it it'll take you to a website where you can report a crime if there is no cops around to report it to. It will get filed through to our database and when a cop longs in will be able to see a new report and follow it up with you, depending on the details you leave of course.
 
[19:43:24] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): *logs in
[19:44:05] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): (done)
 
[19:44:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thanks for clarifyiing that Warwick. I think its pretty visible. But most people just don't go through the effort of offlining an RP cos it really doesn't help anyone. It eventually biols down to needing active people.
 
[19:44:11] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Roxanne
 
[19:44:19] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I like the mailbox idea, but the issue is, again, prims. it's something we are already very tight on, and to add more prims to every business on sim is hard without compacting this even further. unless there is a way to make the help wanted signs a mailbox as well. and I agree with xander. FOr me it's impossible to be more active during eu times because of my schedule. however if an eu player wishes to create an event and im free at the time Im more than willing to attend! I love you European players I do! I swear! (done! there! I remembered it!!!!)
[19:44:34] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Lex
 
[19:44:49] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[19:44:59] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Xander: Not every player can or wants to lead an event, but many like to participate in them. Also organizing an event when more or less unable to coordinate it without speaking with the admins directly can be hard. But my botom point is that i don't think the euro and other part of the community wants their own events entirely- it creates just a divide. Speaking from my own angle, i would much more like to be able to participate in *your* events, with the rest of the sim. Which i can, under certain circumstances, like if the event happens on a saturday and not too late (around noon your time) (done)
 
[19:45:49] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. Which is why I drafted it as "encourage" to organize events earlier. But please don't take this as an indicator that all events should be EU friendly. If they all start moving earlier we will have a serious issue with Pacific Coast, Hawaii and Australia.
 
[19:45:55]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): i have a solution to this problem.
 
[19:46:00] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): We basically need to make sure they are not all at 5pm is all.
 
[19:46:14] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Maeve, then Zoe
 
[19:46:41] Lex (lexbot.sinister): 8-9 pm is the worst >.<
 
[19:46:42] Maeve (madb.muircastle): Rox - it can be done, a longer script is all. (fin)
 
[19:46:49] Xander Rallier: @
 
[19:47:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Anyone can have a Event Admins will decorate what ever you need.. basically if you are on EU time.. let us know what you want and when and we will decorate it for you and help in anyway we can
 
[19:47:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): if someone would like to help me develop a time machine based on the parallel universe theory, i believe we can fix this timezone issue permanently :D (done)
 
[19:47:54] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) pffts.. Off topic. Xander
 
[19:48:13]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va) sticks tongue out at Lasz
 
[19:48:16] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): And with this comment we really should move to the next one.
 
[19:49:27] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Xander
 
[19:49:53] Xander Rallier: I am not saying you need to run your own events but I am saying doesn't make any sense to have the 4 to 6 players that are throwing events change their lives. If you want to complain fine but the solution is not complaining on the events being thrown...its encouraging people in those times to stop complaining and use that energy to do something about making more events. Event calendar is light anyways. I don't think everything needs to be like the NYE party you can easily throw a happy hour or something EU time and get some RP going.
 
[19:50:15] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. That brings us to the next point actually
[19:50:15]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): that better not be a griefer..))
[19:50:19] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): The smaller events

5. Fair use of IC Chat

[19:50:23] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 5. Fair use of IC chat
 
    * Current guidelines :
        - There is only one IC group in Asphyxiation Point. It can be used for 911 calls, event updates,  radio advertisements, news articles, opening up shop, RP in progress etc.
        - If you are sharing RP in progress, you are effectively inviting people to join into the Roleplay.
        - Though it may not be obvious, IC Chat may also be used at will to declare happy hours, singles nights and all sorts of impromptu smaller events.
 
    * Discuss community concerns / ideas :
        - Are current guidelines too permissive / too restrictive?
        - Concerns have been raised about who is allowed to respond to Roleplay posted in IC group. Discuss.
        - Concerns have been raised that other groups besides AP chat are being made part of the critical path in 911 calls. Discuss.
 
[19:50:41] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): The part I am highlighting is this :
[19:50:42] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): - Though it may not be obvious, IC Chat may also be used at will to declare happy hours, singles nights and all sorts of impromptu smaller events.
 
[19:50:54] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): If an admin is online, please let us know so that we can send out a notice
 
[19:50:56] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I thought that was a given
 
[19:51:05] Xander Rallier: @
[19:51:11] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): But even if we are not, please use IC chat !!!
 
[19:51:12] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Xander
[19:51:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Go on Xander
 
[19:51:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): okay laz you can lead that Que
[19:51:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Sorry !
[19:52:02] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
[19:52:06] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): no no its fine
[19:52:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Xander, Maeve
[19:52:12]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): lmao dera ily ❤
[19:52:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): take a break.... brb!
 
[19:52:46] Xander Rallier: I think it is a given but the calendar on the site lets people know something will be happening along with the notices. So someone like Beau saying Cups will do a poetry reading every Tuesday at 3 on the calendar would draw people there rather than him being dependent on who is on sim.
 
[19:53:00] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Xander... There is only one reason we don't do that
[19:53:10] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): We don't know if Beau will be online every Tuesday at 3
[19:53:20] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Currently people love our events cos they are so well attended
 
[19:53:21] Xander Rallier: lol its just an example
 
[19:53:25] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[19:53:43] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Which only happens cos we make sure people are going to be there to drive it before we send out a single notice. And even in that we have had events go face up
 
[19:53:50] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Haha. I know. I am just explaining.
 
[19:54:02]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): i'd like to shout out to y'all for making our events so well attended! #blessup
 
[19:54:11]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): @
 
[19:54:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): maeve, Jez
 
[19:54:24] Maeve (madb.muircastle): #Xander: On the other hand, not everyone goes to the website daily to see what's going on there. #discussion: What other groups are being used as part of the pathfinding for 911? (fin)
 
[19:54:35]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): Maeve Makenzie jez.
[19:54:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes!
 
[19:54:53] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): That's waht I wanted to ask actually. I received feedback that people needed to post to three different groups for a 911 call. And I don't knwo where that came from.
[19:55:09] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Anyone here know?
 
[19:55:14]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): damn dera, keep missing good ol' kenz
 
[19:55:15] Xander Rallier: Why is everyone responding back to me tonight with all this debate? I am done. Thanks Meave
 
[19:55:17] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[19:55:35]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): no? I posted my Cop call to IC group and it came in just fine
 
 
[19:55:45] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Makenzie jez, rox
 
[19:55:51] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): What about the cops... You RP taking the call in the IC group as well right?
 
[19:56:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): well IM NOT sure of Las doing it or me now!
 
[19:56:07] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): You Dera
 
[19:56:09] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): Yup, group chat is for overall 911 calls
 
[19:56:21] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): I agree with Xander on that though.  If someone wants to set up a weekly event, you would think they are going ot be on that time.  I would love ot have a friday/saturday event at Climax...as it makes sense that a club is busy on the weekend.  I can't myself run one, so if i get staff that can be there,  it could be good to have it on the calander so people get used ot it.  If another group wants that spot,  then just communicate with the lead and things can always be rearanged.
 
[19:56:22] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[19:56:24] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): done
 
[19:56:25] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): groupo chat is for all IC Rp wanted to be out there
 
[19:56:48] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez, Desanta
 
[19:56:48] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): *cant run one during the day
 
[19:57:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we have a LEad group for that reason Makenzie.. it be nice to see peopel actually using it
 
[19:57:32]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): IC group chat is actually also for help if you guys need to contact an admin in an emergency!))
 
[19:57:52] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): @
 
[19:57:53] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea well Makenzie... If you are not there yourself, we have no one to rely on to drive RP there. If you really want to do weekly events, then designate some of your staff who will be there to work with us on the event. Again, not trying to be difficult or anything. Just explaining why we have a process for the calender instead of reserving blanket slots.
 
[19:58:23] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): HEnce What Rox says about having others Role as managers as well to have it...
 
[19:58:42] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. Sorry who was next. Were you done Makenzie? It was your turn.
[19:58:53] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I see you posted @ again. If we haven't addressed this, please post again
 
[19:58:54] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez,Desanta, Makenzie
[19:59:10] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): YOU OR ME
 
[19:59:15] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): SORRY !!!
 
[19:59:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): stares at laz
 
[19:59:20] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) hides under the table
 
[19:59:43]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I'm actually going to deter away from that for a moment and talk about trying to use IC to get people to join. I usually post in IC group to let people know I'm out and about, but I don't think it's really working or people are asleep (my sleep hours have been terrible to be fair), but I just feels useless unfortunately. Just a statement.
 
[19:59:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): lol i dont mind you doign it..lol
[19:59:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): it just confused me when you do those @
 
[20:00:08]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): (done)
 
[20:00:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta, Makenzie
 
[20:00:28] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[20:00:39] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Haha sorry. And Jezebel... Posting you are available to RP may not always draw RP your way. More often than not you need to go find it. What helps is finding one other person and then RPing you are having an interaction. Then the third person is more likely to join in.
 
[20:00:57] Poe Biafra (sensual.sparkle): @
 
[20:01:25] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[20:01:30] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta, Makenzie,Maeve, Poe, Lex
 
[20:01:45] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): There's only one group needed to MAKE a 911 call, but once the call is recieved, if someone is responding as dispacher its good practice for that person to be a memmber of the PD and FD groups in order to check if there are players available to take the call. So that the caller doesn't sit around waiting when there may be no players available to respond
 
[20:01:56] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): done?
[20:01:58] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): done
 
[20:02:02] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Makenzie,Maeve, Poe, Lex
 
[20:02:05] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): I am saying during the day.  I am here almost every evening and weekends.  but if I can set up weekday events...and get the active staff to do it, then I would love it,  but to have regularly scheduled events, that happen every week, then I can have them set with my staff so they run even if i am not there.  That is how I did  it with the last club I ran.  I was more saying that if something is a regularly scheduled event, and another lead wants that time slot for an event, then it can be bumped with communication.  I honestly had forgotten about the lead group as I never see chat in it  I will start using it too.  lol.  Done again.
 
[20:02:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Maeve, Poe, Lex
 
[20:02:23] Maeve (madb.muircastle): #Jezebel - I've seen others do that, actually. A girl by the name of Samantha would post ... near-smut from the RLD to announce that she was, erm, available. Sometimes it worked, but more often not. Think of posting RP to the IC chat like fishing. (fin)
 
[20:03:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Poe, Lex
 
[20:03:32] Poe Biafra (sensual.sparkle): I just honestly want to encourage people to use the IC group for RP when your bored and looking for play, call up some of the food places and order Delivery. Someone will bring it to you and adds more RP. Nacho Mama Delivers! Done.
 
[20:03:47] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Rox
 
[20:04:05] Lex (lexbot.sinister): It happens sometimes that people post in the IC group the equivalent of painting their toenails. I'm not really sure what to do with that, if it's an invitation, or exercise or anything. I can't go chase down their IC location because it's metagaming, but on the other hand, they are inviting me to. Or so i think. I don't know. (done)
 
[20:04:16] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): laughs at the plug
 
[20:04:21] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox.. your up boo
 
[20:04:42] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I havent heard anything about three different groups. to my knowledge only the asphyxiation point group is our ic rp/cop/event group officially. unless we have players in the police group as well calling for help, or have players calling for help in the ooc group. everything else is secondary and disadvised. @ Jezebel I do agree with you on some extent about the usefulness of posting ic to the ic group. I've done so quite a few times to try and stir some interest in the red room, and I'm not sure if people just dont feel up to rping in that area because it's essentially a brothel, or what, but i've had very little success posting ic stuff to the ic group to spur interest as far as that is concerned. though, as i said.... it might be the type of rp.
 
[20:04:42] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I havent heard anything about three different groups. to my knowledge only the asphyxiation point group is our ic rp/cop/event group officially. unless we have players in the police group as well calling for help, or have players calling for help in the ooc group. everything else is secondary and disadvised. @ Jezebel I do agree with you on some extent about the usefulness of posting ic to the ic group. I've done so quite a few times to try and stir some interest in the red room, and I'm not sure if people just dont feel up to rping in that area because it's essentially a brothel, or what, but i've had very little success posting ic stuff to the ic group to spur interest as far as that is concerned. though, as i said.... it might be the type of rp.
 
[20:05:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): its all hit and miss that.. but we hope this meeting brings it to everyones attention
 
[20:05:50] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[20:05:53] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): next on agenda?
[20:05:55] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): And Rox
 
 
[20:06:04] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): If someone is posting in IC, we consider it an open invitation to join in. If someone shares their RP with the rest of the SIM and then complaints about metagaming, I am afraid there is not much we can do.
[20:06:32] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): The whole point of the IC group is promoting RP.
 
[20:06:40] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Ok!
 
[20:06:54]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): Well I had always thought the IC group was meant as the invitation. So I just wanted to put it out there that yes, that is my invitation
 
[20:07:05] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thank you for bringing it up Jezz
 
[20:07:17]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil) thumbs up.
 
[20:07:21] Rumour Ghost: And try not to spam the IC chat with the whole of your rp. Just a few teaser posts are nice too.
 
[20:07:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): nods nods nods
 
[20:07:34]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): important point there, Ru
 
[20:07:34] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox you had more to say?
 
[20:07:37] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): there is one thing I'd like to address real quick, I have noticed a few people, and even myself because im a horrible wafflefacing human, going ooc in open ic locations such as the street.  This made me think of it. this might also be another reason why new people think they are being ignored.
 
[20:07:53] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): not ooc afk
 
[20:08:04] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): afk for long periods
 
[20:08:06] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Going OOC in open IC locations is a strict no no. Nor is being AFK. If you find someone AFK, please let an admin know so that we can gently eject them.
 
[20:08:07] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): done
 
[20:08:08] Maeve (madb.muircastle): ^^
 
[20:08:16] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes we try and encourage AKing inside
 
[20:08:19] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): not out in the street
[20:08:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): afking!
 
[20:08:37] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Dera was chewing my head off over wanting to do this meeting here !
[20:08:42]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): what laszlo said. Contact an admin discreetly and they'll fly.
[20:09:03] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
[20:09:05]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): @
[20:09:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Maeve
[20:09:15] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez
[20:09:18] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Maeve then Jez
[20:09:21] Maeve (madb.muircastle): Eject? As in ban?
[20:09:22] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): what what what i do?
 
[20:09:30]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): what!
[20:09:30]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): no
 
[20:09:41] Rumour Ghost: Eject as in moving them to the corner of the sim, out of the way.
 
[20:09:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): lol eject just pushes you to a corner
 
[20:09:51] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Eject as remove them from the sim (they end up flying at the corner)
 
[20:09:55] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): Don't be offended ifit happens!
 
[20:09:58] Maeve (madb.muircastle): ok. ((fin))
 
[20:10:14] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): laughs
 
[20:10:17]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): ban is an extreme form of discipline. Ejecting is not a disciplinary action so much as a message
 
[20:10:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I think.. Jez
 
[20:10:30]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): Because of the limited housing, am I to understand that the hotel is basically a good place to afk if need be? I've been using the church since there's not much to do there (and I use it as a home base for rp purposes).
 
[20:10:39]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): yes jezebel :)
 
[20:10:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yes Jez
[20:10:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): next on Agenda Laslzo?
 
[20:10:48] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i was just going to suggest church!
 
[20:10:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): or there

6. Use of OOC Chat

[20:10:52] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 6. Use of OOC chat
 
    * Current guidelines :
        - Use of AP OOC group is completely optional. The chat is busy and not actively monitored. You are encouraged to use the "x" button to opt out if uncomfortable with a discussion.
        - Having said that, racial slurs, harassment, flaming and bullying are not acceptable outside of Roleplay. Complaints about such activity in OOC group may result in players being barred from said group.
 
    * Discuss community concerns / ideas :
        - Concerns have been raised that arguments and seemingly insulting behavior in OOC chat. Our advice is to close chat in such an event. Is there something else that the community could do to make OOC chat more friendly?
 
[20:11:07] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): be nice bitchessssssss
 
[20:11:14] Lex (lexbot.sinister): no U.
 
[20:11:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): giggles
 
[20:11:37] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[20:11:42] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): maeve
 
[20:11:44]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I haven't seen any huge arguments in OOC. May just be trolls.
 
[20:12:01] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): ~bites her tongue~
 
[20:12:09] Maeve (madb.muircastle): To help OOC be more friendly, Laszlo needs to re-enable his mod-ship of it. (piously)
[20:12:12] Maeve (madb.muircastle): (fin)
 
[20:12:34] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Nope. This is an adult SIM and we are all adults. Not going to babysit people OOC !
 
[20:12:38] Xander Rallier has seen them and thinks they are highly entertaining
 
[20:12:40] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): the current Mods suck
 
[20:12:42] Bethann Causten: @
 
[20:12:46] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Beth
 
[20:13:32] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[20:13:47] Bethann Causten: I have seen ooc get ugly but when it happen folks were told by others to take it to IM and they did.  The group gets roudy but behaves when swatted.  If you are uncomfortable with ooc close it for a while or just ask folks to take an argument elsewhere.
 
[20:13:50] Bethann Causten: (done)
 
[20:13:58] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex
 
[20:14:47] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i've seen a few angry players throwing their crap around when rp doesn't go their way, and mostly people shrug it off.
 
[20:14:59] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): done?
 
[20:15:02] Lex (lexbot.sinister): no
 
[20:15:16] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): ~ almost took her gold star back~
 
[20:15:33]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): at the very worst, contact people according to this http://asphyxiationpoint.weebly.com/help.html
[20:15:36] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Just being alive and human requires the ability to listen to some crap and shrug.
[20:15:41] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (done)
 
[20:15:57] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): next on agenda las or we have more to say?
 
[20:16:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): okay so next on the agenda?
 
[20:16:25] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): the only reason it has our names on there is because we would rather speak in one group than 10

7. Community Website

[20:16:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): 7. Community website?
 
    * Current guidelines :
        - We assume folks will get information about Roleplay in progress by Roleplaying. To get additional visibility, you can always get yourself on the (IC) news section of the website.
        - Community feedback on new business ideas has been proposed. Up to this point in time though, we have managed to eventually find room for all received applications. If we get to a point where we are choosing between ideas, we will consider this option.
        - Related concern is review of businesses that are already in place. If you find a business has an active lead but no activity, please let us know so that we can clear it up for someone else. It is entirely possible, they are in a non-overlapping timezone of course in which case a secondary lead can be considered too.       
 
    * Discuss community concerns / ideas :
        - Do we need other means to get information about Roleplay in progress to Roleplayers (besides notices, news etc?) A community website
_______________________________________________________________________
 
[20:16:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk):  to post potential story arcs has been proposed, but it is something we have stayed away from on account of meta-gaming concerns.  Discuss.
 
[20:16:47] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): This is a topic only one person brought up. But I didn't want to ignore any ideas
 
[20:17:07] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): @
 
[20:17:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Eva
 
[20:17:49] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): @
 
[20:17:58] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Actually I sorta split that  up wrong. Review of businesses should have been an unrelated point.
 
[20:18:05] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[20:18:09] Alyssa Katz (krazyxtc): @
 
[20:18:15] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @
 
[20:18:26] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Eva, Rox, Lex, Alyssa, Maeve
 
[20:19:03] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): I do think that creating sim wide plots...like the hurricane, or say a poisoning in the water supply to spark rp in the hospital or whatever is a bad idea...wait business or story arcs? anyway...the idea of sim plots should be looked at..in my opinion (done)
 
[20:19:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox
 
[20:19:47]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): @
 
[20:19:56] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): (not done) the whole on a website could work as well..like online diaries (sorry)
 
[20:21:21] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex, Alyssa, Maeve
 
[20:21:25] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[20:21:29] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Lex. go ahead we will come back to Rox
 
[20:21:50] Lex (lexbot.sinister): I love reading other peoples logs, it helps me with two things 1. There is extremely interesting rp out there, and i'm missing out! I itch to play after reading logs 2. I warm up when rusty, and it helps me with my english, seeing how others form their scenes and describe things. It requires some self-discipline to stay away from metagaming, but it's worth it. (done)
 
[20:21:51] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Alyssa, Maeve, Desanta
[20:22:34]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): @
 
[20:22:35] Lex (lexbot.sinister): but you might have meant something else with reading story arcs?
 
[20:23:01] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Discussing potential story lines before the Roleplay has happendd
[20:23:06] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): So basically planning Roleplay out in advance.
 
[20:23:07] Alyssa Katz (krazyxtc): Newspaper vendors would be easy to do. They could link to the website. If you had something really important to say, then they could also use the llwhisper command to announce the biggest new headline to people.
 
[20:23:09] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Alyssa, Maeve, Desanta, Jez.... Rox let me knwo when ya back
 
[20:23:17] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (back(
 
[20:23:20] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we have those... Alyssa
[20:23:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): maybe we need more
 
[20:23:33] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Not too many though. Its on my todo to add more, but I have been trying to clean up prims first
 
[20:23:40] Alyssa Katz (krazyxtc): Sorry. I just didn't see them.
 
[20:23:45] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): No you are right.
 
[20:23:49] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): no problem at all!! laszlo is slacking
 
[20:23:51] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): we know
[20:23:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): smirks
 
[20:23:53] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Its only in the S&S from what I remember.
 
[20:23:54] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Maeve, Desanta, Jez
 
[20:23:56] Maeve (madb.muircastle): # Business review - Unless the business owner themselves want to change, I'd like to make it -harder- to eliminate a business. I was rather fond of Poe's mini-bar before it got torn down. It reminded me of a hole-in-the-wall bar here where I live, until ~it~ got torn down. #events - Very much more ideas for sim-wide plots. I like to think most of us are good about metagaming that sort of thing. And if people do end up meta'ing it, well, people will notice and they'll reap the reward they deserve - being left alone with their uber-overly-meta-powergaming selves. (fin)
 
[20:24:00] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox get ya statement ready?
 
[20:24:23] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): (yup)
 
[20:24:36] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): well they pay the rent..Maeve..I cant force them to stay open
 
[20:25:02] Lex (lexbot.sinister): mesh arms are very bendy, just twist it...
[20:25:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Sim owned businesses stay longer..lol
 
[20:25:17] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta, Jez.. .. Rox
 
[20:25:36] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @Through the PD/Court website there are a few different ways of making information available. We have a blotter set up which notifies the newspaper of reports officers make. Thee's also searchable open pages that have information on arrests, all based on what information would be public domain icly. There may be ways to integrate that with the AP site or provide links to the pages. But its all IC information which would be accessible to the general public that can be used for gossip/keeing up to date with what's happening etc.
[20:25:57] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): done
 
[20:26:03] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): smiles at him
[20:26:11] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Jez, Rox
 
[20:27:23]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va) takes the opportunity to applaud DS for his amazing effort with the PD/websites and related stuff
 
[20:27:44] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): he's pretty awesome
 
[20:27:54] Jay Biafra (julian.quinzet): Yes its like the most helpful thing ever lol
 
[20:27:56] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): shup
ould like to see is a way for people to formulate rp ideas with each other. Like in a forum or something. We could have a forum or a way to post our biographies and im each other about ideas. We could also do like a Roleplayer of the month, rp of the month etc, to showcase and maybe even priortize people who we feel could benefit as characters. It may take out the fluidity of the place but it may help with ideas.
 
[20:28:16] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick) hides under the table
 
[20:28:21]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): (done)
 
[20:28:26] Beau Wright (beauwright): @
[20:28:36] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[20:28:36] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): not to kick a dead horse repeatedly in the face..... the potential for stary archs ARE there. but we need to sit down and have a discussion as players, on what type of storyarchs we can do plausibly. perhaps we should have a storyteller group? So if ideas come up they can be discussed with those who are interested? or perhaps after discussion with whatever groups are going to be in attendance of such ongoing storylines we can draft a generalized note as to not micromanage rp. (done)
 
[20:28:42] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Rox, Beau, Lex
[20:28:47] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Beau, Lex
 
[20:29:24] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): all great IDEAS.. but whos stepping up to actually do it..
 
[20:29:58] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): So let me share my take on the community website. For one... Its a lot of work (Yes its easy to put a forum together but given the kind of violent and sexual activities we discuss on a regular basis, covering our ass is difficult.). Secondly, I am concerned about moderation. Just like the OOC group, we really don't want to be monitoring it. Thirdly... Well actually Dera captured it well :P
 
[20:30:46] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): I'll step up
 
[20:30:47] Beau Wright (beauwright): i would love to see a way to get information out there about potential storyline interaction or just getting someone to fill positions in businesses.  I think a forum could help, while it could open things up to metagaming, it could also be a really good idea.  I would love to find a manager for cups, but to this point, finding anyone to work has been impossible.  i'm a pretty shy person, so being the first to IM someone and discussing potential storylines isn't always easy.  Just my thoughts. done.
 
[20:30:51] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons) points to self
 
[20:30:52] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): yep, all GREAT ideas.. who wants to do it..lol
 
[20:30:57]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I'm game
 
[20:31:02] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): @
 
[20:31:06] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): great get togetehr with admins and lets see what we can make happen
 
[20:31:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I do want to point out though... A lot of the things you are mentioning here can be done through the newspaper
 
[20:31:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): The classifieds and advertisements barely get used
 
[20:31:27] Bethann Causten: @
 
[20:31:28] Lex (lexbot.sinister): Forums require constant active moderation in order not to descend into cesspits. Unlike ooc chat, where when someone posts something stupid, within a moment their text scrolls by and it's mostly forgotten. On a forum, stupid sits forever. And add to that spambots that require daily cleaning or needing to approve each new poster separately. Moderating a chat is somewhat necessary. Moderating a forum in timely manner is so mandatory. Does anyone have time for it?
 
[20:31:33] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Beau, Lex, Desanta, Beth
 
[20:31:43] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (oops sorry premasture eneration))
[20:31:48] Lex (lexbot.sinister): enteration))
 
[20:31:58] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Desanta, Beth
 
[20:32:52] Lex (lexbot.sinister): (done)
 
[20:32:56] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): giggles
 
[20:35:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): DeSanta, waiting on you. Beth please keep your post ready
 
[20:35:41] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): I think storytellers is a cool idea, but I think one of the things that is so great about this sim is that if any one of us has the idea for anything all you need to do is speak to an admin and more often than not they'll go out of thei ways to make it happen. Whether its an event or setting up something for a storyline, but if you have an idea for something a bit different they're always open to chatting with you about it. They're always a great sounding board and usually they can help things end up a lot better than you initially expect. Personally I'd love more sim-wide RPs, event RPs which spice things up, force people to interact with those they normally wouldnt in ways they normally wouldn't. I see the diiffuculties in a forum and as lex said avoding metagaming is a lot about self discipline. I think its worth investigating ways for like minded people to share ideas and collaborate to creat interesting storylines.
 
[20:36:02] Maeve (madb.muircastle): ^^
 
[20:36:22] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): The admins know which players are the best ones to contact to achieve what you want too
[20:36:23] Warwick DeSanta (jamesmaybrick): done
 
[20:36:25] Bethann Causten: question about the newspaper.  We keep saying more can be done.  Who can add to it?  Just admins and Jaden?  What help would someone need to get more into it.  While it does not make sense for beth to work there I have alot of free time at my RL job on a computer.  I have no problem writing ad or organizing things for it.?  aka I've got mad office skills, who needs help that I can do OUTSIDE of SL.  I have no problem transferring notecards sent to me overnight out to something I can work on during the day and transferring back in when I get home.
 
[20:37:57] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thanks Warwick. And right now its mostly Jaden. Dera, Dean and I have rights too but they are too busy dealing with other things. I would appreciate getting your help on it if Jaden feels it would lighten some of her load. I know she has been trying to wind down on that side. Jaden?
 
[20:38:16] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): @
 
[20:38:32] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Yes I Think Jaden wanted to step back from it.. so we definitely need the help
 
[20:38:36] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): Brooke
 
[20:39:04] Dr. Deranean Sands (deranean.sands): I need to step Afk.. laszlo get the list please?
 
[20:39:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Sure. Go ahead
 
[20:39:22] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): lets say i want to enhance my story and i want to have a sister here - is there some way i can advertise that or ask if anyone is interested in playing that? other than ap ooc chat which i dont think would work
 
[20:40:01] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): @ to Brooke
 
[20:40:14] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Um.... I am not really sure how well that works WITHIN a Roleplay community. I see posts regularly in other groups like Seeking Roleplay. Does anyone have any experience doing this? You are right. We don't currently have a mechanism. But the question is would someone respond if it were posted within the community?
 
[20:40:44] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): And go on Eva
 
[20:40:58] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): @
 
[20:41:16] Lex (lexbot.sinister): There are other websites that have sections about second life roleplay. Might do it there, but then you aren't in charge of the moderation.
 
[20:41:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Eva, Brooke. And again. If someone has any experience in finding Roleplay partners please put in your thoughts too
 
[20:41:31] Maeve (madb.muircastle): #
[20:41:44] Maeve (madb.muircastle): @ (not #)
 
[20:41:46] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Eva Brooke, Maeve.
 
[20:42:01] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): I did once..yes but it never panned out. The person asked if I would be willing to build a bit of a mysterious backstory and it was no problem at all as some players may be all to willing to have a sibling that was previously unknown show up...doesn't hurt to ask around.
 
[20:42:57] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): My thing with Roleplay partners is this. i don't really know if I want to associate someone permanently with my character until I have at least Roleplayed with them a bit. Hence why I have zero experience in this respect. Eva were you done?
 
[20:43:12] Alyssa Katz (krazyxtc): @
 
[20:43:14] Eva Perry (evangeline.grantly): yes sorry ...done
 
[20:43:19] Lex (lexbot.sinister): @
 
[20:43:20] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay Brooke, Maeve, Alyssa
[20:43:25] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Brooke, Maeve, Alyssa, Lex
 
[20:43:34] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): just to respond - as a new rper with no story at all (that was almost month ago) i would totally have loved some direction like a "wanting a sister or wanting a friend".  I dont believe it is something that would work for EVERYONE but I have met enough people here like me in the last 3 weeks and some could have used something like this.  Its a potential solution for new rpers and rpers new to the sim
 
[20:43:45] Rumour Ghost: There are groups like "Seeking RP", where you can put advertisements out about how you are seekign a rp sister/lover/partner in crime etc.
 
[20:44:18] Roxanne Darla Daviau (madammellons): hmm....
 
[20:44:20] Maeve (madb.muircastle): Done, Brooke?
 
[20:44:47] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): done
[20:44:48] Brooke Nightingale (brookenightingale): sorry
 
[20:44:48] Maeve (madb.muircastle): I actually came here to AP at the request of a friend of mine who was playing here (Kenzie Barrett). We came up with backstory before I stepped into the sim for the first time. If you need someone you trust, grab someone you already know, I've found. (fin)
 
[20:45:08] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. Good point Maeve. Dera and I pretty much stepped into Urban together.
 
[20:45:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Similar reasoning.
[20:45:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Alyssa
 
[20:46:22] Alyssa Katz (krazyxtc): I've had rp cousins before. It happened by dumb luck after some roleplay and a LOT of OOC coordinating to make existing character histories line up. It was actually quite rewarding. But yeah, a ton of OOC talk about the past, backstory, etc is needed for family rp.
 
[20:46:48] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) nods... "Yes. Or if you know each other so well you pretty much roll with each other's punches."
 
[20:46:58] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Lex?
 
[20:47:01] Lex (lexbot.sinister): I did actually set out an ad in the newspaper looking for a servant. Maybe it was the very notion of servant that did it (although the ad was formed looking for a driver/butler type) but all i got were two extremely needy guys wanting to lick my shoes and run around in latex french maid outfits. Without bothering to actually roleplay it. I Gave up. (done)
 
[20:48:12] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) chuckles... "Again... I don't want to discourage anyone. This is meant to be constructive. But a lot of concerns folks have are covered by the newspaper. For the rest, a couple of people volunteered to step up with a forum, please get in touch with us. But as far as newcomers go, the personal touch may go a much further way."
 
[20:48:15] Bethann Causten: I ended up with a sister by sitting down next to Kenzie and us freaking out about how much we looked alike  (done)
 
[20:48:32] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk) chuckles... "Yea. That's how it mostly goes. Anyone else before we close on this topic?"
 
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Wrap up and next steps

​[20:48:51] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Okay... So with that we are done with all the items on our official agenda. Is there any topic that wasn't on the agenda to begin with?
[20:49:01] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Its late so let's keep it short :)

[20:50:09] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): All right. Thank you so much for attending. We will send out the minutes, review it ourselves... I realize that a lot of the ideas you proposed we pushed them back to you. But that's why we are a community. Please do discuss today's conversation over OOC or IMs or whatever else over the next few days and come up with slightly more concrete steps and ideas. We will make sure you get the visibility you need.

[20:50:37] Bethann Causten: thought about regularly run events.  Assuming we take them out of our prim allowances any issue with a club having a marque like the church out front?

[20:51:17]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): quick interruption

[20:51:26] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): I will have to see the Marquee. We don't want it to be too visually distracting. If it suits an IC purpose, we might even put it down for you. We are usually pretty oepn to making changes that fosters RP. We just ask for concrete value additions.

[20:51:43] Maeve (madb.muircastle): I have that firework launcher to do marquees with, if anyone needs or wants to use it.

[20:51:44]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): the first agenda saw a lot of involvement/input... should we continue that topic on another day dedicated for it?

[20:52:15] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Well I think we kind of covered the first item already. We will continue to optimize... Oops..

[20:52:18] Lex (lexbot.sinister): is there going to be 2other side of the world" meeting?

[20:52:21] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Hey Deka. We are having an OOC town hall meeting !

[20:52:34] ღDekaღмღrցαηღ (deka.kira): ohhh fun!

[20:52:35] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): You are more than welcome to join but you found us  on the ONE day we are not in Roleplay

[20:52:40] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i feel the euro things got handles a bit unfairly.

[20:52:46] Lex (lexbot.sinister): handled*

[20:53:00] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Thanks for reminding me Lex.

[20:53:04] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Here is the thing.

[20:53:12]  jezeвel devιl  (jezebeldevil): I agree, there should be a meeting during Euro times, so everyone gets heard

[20:54:00] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): If you guys wanna do an OOC meeting between yourselves for anything, please just come to us so that we can throw out a notice. We do discourage OOC on SIM but we can always put aside a venue or put you on a OOC pad or something. As far as the Euro time meeting goes, I had Lex respond with a yes will attend and one othe rperson respond with a maybe for a 10am Saturday meeting.

[20:54:20] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): So please talk to other EU folks and figure out what time works and just send us a notecard with what you want to do.

[20:54:54] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): But this applies for all the other agenda items wee discussed today. Such as getting more stuff on the news, reaching out to newbies etc. We do want the community more involved in everything.

[20:55:10]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): i will conclude the minutes at that if we're all good!

[20:55:18] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Anyone else with anything else?

[20:55:22] Lex (lexbot.sinister): well thats exactly it. We can have an OOC player led discussion anytime we like, but i suspect that is not what the other euros would want.

[20:55:48] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Lex... Talk to them, find out a time that works, and Dera can see if she can make it. My own work doesn't allow me to be around.

[20:57:39] Lex (lexbot.sinister): ...of the euros currently here you mean? it's easy to point at euro problems are their own and should be solved by the euros alone :/

[20:57:46] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): my sugestions for events for the EU group is more that I would try to run the earlier in the day, so they can include everyone, but if i have staff that are part of the Eu time zones, then they are also free to do one, or schedule one at Climax.  But you can't please everyone all of the time.

[20:58:16]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): that's it Rox, it's all about being open minded and easy going with the rest of the community - that's certainly what makes a healthy community!

[20:58:25] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i don't even know who is euro or not because i stay up *your* crazy hours...

[20:58:44] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yea. I think we all understand we can't really affect a situation if we are not online in the first place. We can definitely do a secondary meeting for Eu timezones if there is enough interest. Again, I tried to get that done for 10am yesterday but there wasn't enough interest.

[20:58:48] Makenzie Jay (makenziejay): lol  and I am on text during the day but I see a whole different crowd, as well as some of the regulars.

[20:59:11] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): But if you think throwing a meeting whether or not it is attended may encourage folks to trickle in, we can do one

[20:59:41] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i dunno. Maybe it's a non-issue. it's not me that gets the complaints, so i have no idea.

[20:59:51] Lex (lexbot.sinister): i only have my own.

[20:59:59] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Anyway, I think we have enough to go on for today. A lot of people couldn't make today's meeting for sure. Let's wrap up this meeting and send out the minutes. Hopefully this will spark a second round of discussion across the SIM.

[21:00:25] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Once again, any ideas, any feedback, you can always talk to us or send us an email via the website.

[21:00:31]  Zoε AzαrϊαϦ (lunanu0va): excellent! Wrapping up the minutes there :) thanks everyone for being patient and sticking through! x

[21:00:40] Laszlo Kuluk (kuluk): Yes. That was a 4 hour meeting :) I am proud of us !

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